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Post by demented » Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:55 pm

TallonKarrde23 wrote:Bootlegs > official
In a way, I agree with Tallon. It is the distributors, not the studios, that get the royalties from official overpriced DVDs purchased from your local entertainment store. Why i say overpriced? Because it costs less than a US dollar to manufacture an official DVD, $0.39 for a video game CD.

While Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away were being exhibited in the US theatres, Disney, the distributor, was making most of the money, not Studio Ghibli. Sure the studio made some money when they sold distributing rights to Disney, but it was Disney who got the royalties for every ticket sold in America and for every DVD sold in America. The studios are already paid when they were given the films to work on, when they were working on the films, and when they finished with the films. But NOT when they sell the films to the public. They either sell to a distributor or their production company distributes it themselves. Do you think its Bandai who made Cowboy Bebop? No, its Sunrise Studios. Like the studios, the actors and directors don't recieve royalty payments, that's why they always do special interviews.

The Video Game industry is just like the Anime industry. As is the music industry. I have no problems with people downloading music, because the musicians were already paid to make the music and will not receive any further benefits. In fact, most of their income is supplied from their tours and interviews, not how many CDs they sold. The only people who gets paid for every CD sold or the people who owns the Labels. Metallica, Dr. Dre, Eminem, and some others all own their own labels, so that's why they hate mp3s being shared on the internet.

Summing it all up, its not the actual creators of the different medias that all of you so enjoy that gets paid for every DVD or CD sold, but actually the production companies and distributors are the ones who make the extra $$ for every disc/ticket sold.

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Post by Hitori » Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:40 am

//run bootleg_rant.exe

So, what happens if I were to buy the official release...
Burn dvd copies of them... Make them region-free... etc...

And sell them at a very low price? I would make a ton of money!! :D


boot·leg - To produce, distribute, or sell without permission or illegally

:?

That is totally different from Piracy with the Music/Movie/Video Game industry.

pi·ra·cy - The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material


But then again... Piracy and Bootleg are both seen in the same light!


So.. It doesn't matter if it's bootleg or not so you buy it cheap... You buy it cheap because you don't want to pay that much money for the "Official" licensed release or japanese import.... These are the same people who don't want to do anything to get something! They would rather get something that's cheap and quick. So, in the event that said anime "bootlegs" are removed... (bootleg operations shut down) Where will you go to get that cheap anime?

So...

What is the price you would pay for what you want? :?

Who said any hobby was cheap?

hob·by - An activity or interest pursued outside one's regular occupation and engaged in primarily for pleasure.

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Re: How to Spot a Bootleg

Post by Bote » Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:30 am

Scintilla wrote:
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Kai Stromler wrote:* If the series is spread across half as many discs as normally found at retail (say, 3 for a 26-ep TV series as opposed to 6), it is likely not to be legitimate
That isn't necessarely true. I bought the whole Berserk series boxset containing 3 DVD's. There is no problem with them nor do I think it's a bootleg. The DVD's space is over 7GB (opposed to the 4GB ones). Plus.......it's progressive :P . Yeah baby!
Sorry to bust your bubble, but according to www.animeondvd.com , the official R1 Berserk box set has 6 DVDs, not 3.

Does your box set have a nice "FX" logo on it? If so, you can be sure they're bootlegs. Yes, they're the good kind with all the features of the R1s, but they're still bootlegs.
Even so, the ones I bought pawn! Unless I run into some crappy-icky ones I'm fine with bootlegs so far. :P
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Post by Otohiko » Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:50 am

Come on people! Since when did this turn into a discussion of the ethics of bootlegging?

I thought the intention of the thread was to say that the .org endorses the view that 'Bootlegs are bad', and that's the end of story :?

I hope the mods clean up this sticky soon

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Post by Hitori » Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:51 am

Otohiko wrote:Come on people! Since when did this turn into a discussion of the ethics of bootlegging?

I thought the intention of the thread was to say that the .org endorses the view that 'Bootlegs are bad', and that's the end of story :?

I hope the mods clean up this sticky soon

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Finally it's cleaned up and [SPLIT]! :D
Nice new title as well! 8)

And yes, bootleg anime are bad!!! :evil:


Where has everyones' ethics gone.... :cry:

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1 a - A set of principles of right conduct.
1 b - A theory or a system of moral values
2 - ethics (used with a sing. verb) The study of the general nature of morals and of the specific moral choices to be made by a person; moral philosophy.
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Post by Kracus » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:41 am

Hitori wrote:
Where has everyones' ethics gone.... :cry:
That's funny.

I'll typically download and if I like what I watch I'll buy. Or instead of download, catch it on TV (like WHR). Which I'm still in debate about.

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Post by madmag9999 » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:53 am

Kracus wrote: I'll typically download and if I like what I watch I'll buy.
x2. if i think the show is worth watching again ill buy it. im not gone go spending money on something im gone watch once
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Post by Toxie_punk » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:54 am

The only problem I've had with bootlegs are the quality went down on one when the animation started moving faster(action scenes) but besides that I was pretty happy with the buy. Of course I didn't know it was bootleg at the time. But after hearing all this I started thinking. To me, there is truth and bullsh*t to all these posts. Yes bootlegging could hurt companies if some larger numbers of people stop buying the official products, but in the same case the bootlegger have to buy the official product in order to bootleg them. Plus quality does matter to some people, so if somebody bought a crappy bootleg (by accident or on purpose) they might throw it away and buy the official DVD. I agree with DarkAlex to a point, if someone didn't have the money to buy a box set they probly never will unless they saved up for a certain period of time. Some people don't or can't save up and just buy bootlegs, on the other hand some people will just buy a single official dvd. I bought a gundam DVD and still have yet to buy another one. As for bootlegs helping the chinese mafia, I'm not completely sure I believe that. Bootlegs coming out of hong kong, possibly. But bootlegs coming straight out of the US, like D*******A****D**.com (cutting it for the mods), is a lot less likely. If I saw some proof it'd be a lot easier to believe but so far all I've heard is based on what other people have said. And some anime you can't find aside from bootlegs. I've still been searching for grappler baki from other places than the site stated above and have yet to be successful. Between buying a "region 0" bootleg and buying another dvd player thats region free, some people might not have the expenses and go the cheaper route. Anyway thats my bootleg rant.
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Post by the Black Monarch » Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:23 pm

The chinese mafia has stronger morals than the chinese government :)
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