The Org Redesign - What's wrong with the org?

[Nya-chan Production]

Also users should be able to delete videos. It would save alot of space and get rid of useless videos.

Especially if you gave us the power to delete other people's videos.

I vote for godix having this power

[Kariudo]

The space thing isn't an issue, and here...there is no such thing as a 'useless' video.
well...maybe except for Godix's junk...that stuff's about as useless as it gets right there.

We may be able to afford more control for creators, but at the same time I feel that we (mods/admins) also need to be able to say no sometimes
Giving users the power to delete their own local uploads would:
-take away most of my video deletion powers you bastid
-make the distinction between remaster and remake near trivial (not like that's all bad though...)
-make abuse of the system even harder to track
-let me say no to 99% of vid info deletion requests
-some other stuff, a llama and some pizza too

My sentiment is based on my background. After you've done any user interface stuff (web or offline), it's hard to not think of users as malicious monsters that want to make you cry.

[Panky]

The space thing isn't an issue, and here...there is no such thing as a 'useless' video.
well...maybe except for Godix's junk...that stuff's about as useless as it gets right there.

We may be able to afford more control for creators, but at the same time I feel that we (mods/admins) also need to be able to say no sometimes
Giving users the power to delete their own local uploads would:
-take away most of my video deletion powers you bastid
-make the distinction between remaster and remake near trivial (not like that's all bad though...)
-make abuse of the system even harder to track
-let me say no to 99% of vid info deletion requests
-some other stuff, a llama and some pizza too

My sentiment is based on my background. After you've done any user interface stuff (web or offline), it's hard to not think of users as malicious monsters that want to make you cry.

I'm actually wondering (out of curiosity) when people ask for "remastering" a video, do you (or the other mods) actually check the content is the same or just hope for it to be so?

[Nya-chan Production]

The space thing isn't an issue, and here...there is no such thing as a 'useless' video.
well...maybe except for Godix's junk...that stuff's about as useless as it gets right there.

We may be able to afford more control for creators, but at the same time I feel that we (mods/admins) also need to be able to say no sometimes
Giving users the power to delete their own local uploads would:
-take away most of my video deletion powers you bastid
-make the distinction between remaster and remake near trivial (not like that's all bad though...)
-make abuse of the system even harder to track
-let me say no to 99% of vid info deletion requests
-some other stuff, a llama and some pizza too

My sentiment is based on my background. After you've done any user interface stuff (web or offline), it's hard to not think of users as malicious monsters that want to make you cry.

I'm actually wondering (out of curiosity) when people ask for "remastering" a video, do you (or the other mods) actually check the content is the same or just hope for it to be so?

You can't check until it's uploaded and you can't upload until the original's removed, so the answer is quite obvious ;x

[Kariudo]

I usually give people the benefit of the doubt, but when someone asks to remaster all of their videos at once...yeah...generally not happening.

[Arigatomina]

I usually give people the benefit of the doubt, but when someone asks to remaster all of their videos at once...yeah...generally not happening.

I just don't get it. These people are clearly just trying to get the local links disabled because they no longer want their creations distributed here. The vid listing remains, so the whole "archive every amv" goal was never affected by the deletion of vids. Space costs money, we donate the money to acquire that space, downloading available vids costs money, we donate the money to pay for that bandwidth, so why do we have to continue paying to host things we don't want you to host for us anymore? At least donators should be allowed to have their own local links removed, by request if you're worried about misuse of the system. I have yet to hear a single reason why the org insists on keeping and sharing other people's vids when they've asked them to remove the local links. If you just wanted to keep a copy for posterity's sake, then disable the local link but keep the file (which, from my understanding, is what you did with the Evanescence/Creed vids).

In every other hobby I've been active in, when a hosting site refuses to remove a fan's creations at their request, they lose those fans, and get a bad reputation throughout the entire hobby. I don't know why the org continues to get away with it, especially now that it's not the only resort available to amv editors. I know with the last vids I uploaded here, I debated with myself for weeks over whether or not I really wanted those locally hosted here until the death of the org. I'm sure it will be a rude surprise for any tube editors that get drawn here after the redesign. Hobby-related hosting sites just don't do this.

The option to hide vids in our profiles is nice, I appreciate that, but it doesn't change the fact that videos continue to be distributed against the express wishes of the people who made them. The warning on the upload page (which I don't remember seeing in '03) reminds me of the warnings to non-members who upload files to free file hosting sites. They do this to keep making money off the downloaders seeking those files. Why does the org do it? Are you afraid fewer viewers will come here if there aren't as many vids available to download (and preview) in the collection? Because it's the editors who stop uploading due to this policy and without new vids being uploaded, you're going to have fewer amvs, anyway.

[Nya-chan Production]

The reason is simple - most of these people are simply "ashamed" that they did such bad videos in their beginnings, so they request deletion (and hide behind most various excuses), empty their profile and make a new one.

We know it's not reasonable, because we all went through this - and believe me, it's great to look at your old videos and look at how you sucked. I bet you can do that too. But these people don't realize that - although they might in a few years. So I take it as "We give them a life lesson".

Needless to say that they checked a box (IIRC, can't check right now) that they read that by uploading they give Org the rights to distribute the video etc. (legal stuff and such).

Of course this is generalisation - but in (IMO) about 2/3 of cases it's just like this.

[Arigatomina]

The reason is simple - most of these people are simply "ashamed" that they did such bad videos in their beginnings, so they request deletion (and hide behind most various excuses), empty their profile and make a new one.

Making a new profile is bad, against the rules, they'd shouldn't do it. But why shouldn't they be able to stop distributing old videos? What's it to the org if people want to share their good vids and retire their bad ones? Does the org gain something by forcing people to share their olds stuff, leaving it available to be reviewed so people tell them things they improved upon years ago, increasing the shere amount of crap on the site, and leaving less time on the part of viewers to watch the better amvs in their profile?

If the whole point is to force people to share their bad vids right next to their good ones, because the org thinks "it's good for them", then that's a really bad reason. It's patronizing, even. ^^; There has to be more to it than that.

[Nya-chan Production]

OK, your point is to protect uploaders.

My point is we have to protect uploaders too - against themselves. And also we have to protect the downloaders/the site - can you imagine what would happen if some famous editor got pissed by a little thing and deleted all of his videos (think Nostromo or koopiskeva here)?

[BasharOfTheAges]

I thought there was an intermediate step introduced into the deletion process after tom the fish pulled his hissy fit back in 2005.