May 15th.

EvaFan · Post by **EvaFan** » Thu May 03, 2007 12:19 am

Dont worry about it, this gas crap wont last much longer. People are getting more and more frustrated... Eventually this will happen or something close to it:

http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/

Honda.

I only pray that it will happen sooner then later. Water is our most abundant resource, it just makes sense to use it.

Then they will start taxing us on water. Which is sad.

Inaaca · Post by **Inaaca** » Thu May 03, 2007 12:54 am

Too many people focus too much on the tiny problems instead of the big picture. Gas prices are going up because the demand is going up and the supply is running out. The focus should be on a shift to alternate methods, not on the "price at the pump." Eventually, gas won't even be viable anymore, and we need something else before then. Either that, or we all revert to bicycles.

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Thu May 03, 2007 11:28 am

In addition to what has already been mentioned:

America seems to have a fixation that gas consumption = crude oil consumption but there is a much larger picture of gas + plastics + lubricants + polyester + some medications + et cetera, et cetera = crude oil consumption...

Gas is certainly a major product, but there is a lot more to consider.

Fall_Child42 · Post by **Fall_Child42** » Thu May 03, 2007 11:46 am

Eva-Fan wrote:Dont worry about it, this gas crap wont last much longer. People are getting more and more frustrated... Eventually this will happen or something close to it:

http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/ Honda.

I only pray that it will happen sooner then later. Water is our most abundant resource, it just makes sense to use it.

Then they will start taxing us on water. Which is sad.

There is a huge problem with hydrogen fuel cells. They actually have a far higher cost to the environment then the emmissions the cars themselves emmit.

When converting energy waste is always produced. the Internal combustion engine is one of the most direct ways of converting gas to motion.

When looking at Hydrogen, sure there are no emissions from the car itself but in order to produce hydrogen, a massive amount of electricity must be generated. Thus crating waste. The pollution the extra coal fired or nuclear powerplants will produce, in addition to the containment and transport of it creates more problems then it will solve.

Now anyone that knows me will tell you I hate SUVs as much as anything could.

But something that will help pollution far more is a reduction in eating meat. If people simply had less beef everyweek the Pollution reduction is Immense.

Something seemingly alot more controversial and harder for many people than not driving.

Esrhan · Post by **Esrhan** » Thu May 03, 2007 12:45 pm

We're doomed!

Kitsuner · Post by **Kitsuner** » Thu May 03, 2007 3:00 pm

Corran wrote:In addition to what has already been mentioned:

America seems to have a fixation that gas consumption = crude oil consumption but there is a much larger picture of gas + plastics + lubricants + polyester + some medications + et cetera, et cetera = crude oil consumption...

Gas is certainly a major product, but there is a lot more to consider.

All I got out of this post was the word "lubricants".

Bakadeshi · Post by **Bakadeshi** » Thu May 03, 2007 10:19 pm

If the oil companies didn't do everything in their power to hamper the development and production of alternate means of power, such as Hydrogen cell, Electric and using water as a fuel source, then we wouldn't have this problem ;p

Instead we would see a shortage of water, drought would ensue as big SUV and Trucks suck up all our water reserves, and the price of water would go up from $6 a gallon to $20 a gallon. Gas companies would go out of business causing mass unemployment and third world countries going deeper into poverty since their main export of Oil is no longer profitable. Either way we loose ;p

Bakadeshi · Post by **Bakadeshi** » Thu May 03, 2007 10:26 pm

In response to the idea of Hydrogen creating polution,

there is development in the works on a way to generate Hydrogen from water in the car itself. It has already been done, but its just not fast enough to work in real practice currently. It needs optimization. Idealy instead of pumping gas (or hydrogen for that matter) into the car, you'd be pumping water instead. The car would then seperate the Hydrogen from the oxygen to burn as fuel and then recycle whatever resulting water from that combustion to use all over again.

(which makes my previous post on shortage of water somewhat misplaced, but that was full of sarcasm anyway ;p )