Why can't the google adds pay for the premium search system?

Yok/0 · Post by **Yok/0** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:31 am

Animemusicvideos.org asks for a donation in order to get the premium search ability.

Let's take a video for example..A big amv collab called "AMV Collab"(Made it up...so sue me)

AMV Collab has over 40 diff. animes in a 20 min. MEP. Now out of all of those the google adds pretty much point out to the user "Would u like to buy the anime in this video" or "Would you like to buy from this video". These adds are right on top of the title of the video before you download it.

Now I know that NOT EVERYPERSON CLICKS ON THE ADDS. But say the video had 15,000 downloads or as many hits as Amv Hell. Now out of that there is bound to be at least 5 dollars made in that total of hits.

What I'm trying to say is. Why can't the google add pay for the premium search bar for this person's video? o_O

Yok/0 · Post by **Yok/0** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:56 am

And as for the premium account u get to be in a "Donators forum" thread that only Donators get into. What exactly makes it so special? IS Aretha Franklin or Vivia Guerra's G string in that forum or what. Why would you pay just to be in a forum that is just like any other forum, and what makes you think you'd be treated any different when you Do donate that you don't do now in any other topic here and now.

Is this cause of fear of Youtube?

1 more thing.

Is it me or is it welcoming to the idea that videos like jihaku and amv hell are on this site on the count of serious number of hits they got not to mention tons of anime to be added down the list of google adds that Google would track on.

Kariudo · Post by **Kariudo** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:42 pm

the donator's forum and advanced search options are both perks of donating.
(supposed to encourage people to donate. IIRC, less than 1% of members of the org donate)

you can find videos just fine with the normal super search, and enabling the donator's options can't be done for a few videos, it's applied to the donator's account.

the donator's forum is for off-topic discussion (which if made in any other section of these forums will be locked/deleted by the mods)

I can't quite understand what you are asking/stating in your last paragraph...but not every anime in a video is tracked by google ads. (can you imagine how many ads amv hell 3 would have then? *shudders*)

On my most recent amv (Gundam Seed), the google ads that were placed were:
adv universe
discount anime dvd
initial D
digital media training
mp3 music downloads

as you can see, it has very little to do with the anime I used
(amv hell had many of the same ads)

you aren't treated much differently when you do donate (save for the perks), and youtube has very little to do with it.

youtube isn't liked because most of the amvs hosted there do not measure up to the [audio/video] quality (as well as how "good" the video is) standards that people here are used to...and that many amvs hosted here have been stolen by people on youtube.
heck, this one idiot on myspace tried to claim credit for "whisper of the beast"

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:00 pm

Yokou Seishirou wrote:And as for the premium account u get to be in a "Donators forum" thread that only Donators get into. What exactly makes it so special?

It's special because it lets us do things on this forum that we haven't been able to do since the old OT was taken away. We wanted OT back, and suggesting it as a 'donator perk' lets the site gain something - while we get what we wanted. I have a suspicion that forum-regulars make up a good portion of the donators on this site. That forum is a perk targetted at forum-regulars. The fact that more forum-regulars are now donating (first time ever for some people who've been members for years) shows that it's successful.

People who don't mind going to other forums for their OT fix probably don't mind clicking "proceed", so we're not going to get donations from them, anyway. That forum targets people already prone to donating, and people who like hanging around on a forum where they know everyone else. It's not just the OT discussions - it's the people you're being OT with. I have my own reasons for donating that have nothing to do with the various perks - but if I didn't have my own reasons, getting an org OT section would be reason enough.

In conclusion, it's quite special. I'm glad to have it. ^^

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:29 pm

google doesnt pay for it, in order to intice people to donate.

1 ad block would be tacked on to one amv no matter how many animes were in it, those videos were added to the database because the CREATOR decided that they wanted to create those anime music videos, not because the site has a "bottom line" to try to trick google ads into giving back more revenue. (this isnt a business) if its a perk then i gues its a perk, you still only get one ad block. (but if you donate, then you dont see the ad blocks at all)

Donators forum was being discussed for several reasons:

1. the original off topic forum was dissolved.
2. when people werent allowed to use the journals for off topic DISCUSSIONS anymore, several people suggested it as an alternative.
3. it will intice the people who want in to donate...

I believe the most special perk is that its off topic... the regular rules about "flaming" apply its just that you can talk about whatever you want instead of having to keep it to AMV, music, anime, programs, help sections ect

the donators section i am sure has nothing to do with the tube... its more to get people to donate... and its targeted at the people who would frequent that sort of forum (as was said already)

they just dont like the tube here mostly be cause its too mainstream (the quality issues are there, but that has nothing to do with why the mods have banned its name on the forums) and its making copywrite holders notice the hobby more, or have you not heard about the tube wiping out thousands of AMVs?

the mods here also dont like the site because people will come here to complain that other people stole/ripped off their amv and are taking credit/not giving them credit.. (search hosatchel or youtube and see the topics you get, they are either announcement threads or complaints about the site, or debates on weather or not the tube is good for the AMV community)

Yok/0 · Post by **Yok/0** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:29 pm

Arigatomina wrote:
Yokou Seishirou wrote:And as for the premium account u get to be in a "Donators forum" thread that only Donators get into. What exactly makes it so special?
It's special because it lets us do things on this forum that we haven't been able to do since the old OT was taken away. We wanted OT back, and suggesting it as a 'donator perk' lets the site gain something - while we get what we wanted. I have a suspicion that forum-regulars make up a good portion of the donators on this site. That forum is a perk targetted at forum-regulars. The fact that more forum-regulars are now donating (first time ever for some people who've been members for years) shows that it's successful.

People who don't mind going to other forums for their OT fix probably don't mind clicking "proceed", so we're not going to get donations from them, anyway. That forum targets people already prone to donating, and people who like hanging around on a forum where they know everyone else. It's not just the OT discussions - it's the people you're being OT with. I have my own reasons for donating that have nothing to do with the various perks - but if I didn't have my own reasons, getting an org OT section would be reason enough.

In conclusion, it's quite special. I'm glad to have it. ^^

heh thank you intelligent ladies and gents here tonight.

One thing about the tube is that I see amvs there yea but alot of them are not claiming them to be theres people who say they never made this amv but liked it, Whats wrong with a fan liking ur video? I know I had 1 person and several other videos from the amv hell project that were my vids and never once claimed theirs.

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:17 am

some people do try to take claim...

as for someone willing to credit or atleast claim "I DID NOT MAKE THIS" or whatever... I'm sure that there are reasons for not wanting people to do even that...

1. it disrupts the creator's original control of their product (although by posting it on the internet you do that anyways)

2. some people dont want their name spread around too much for fear of coppywrite holders will find it.

3. some people just dont like what youtube does to their video (it lowers the ql, desyncs the audio, ect... gotta love MACROBLOCKING) o.O

im sure there are more but i cant think of any...

either way the biggest problem our site has with the tube site is that people come HERE to complain that they steal the from here and upload there... either by 1. taking credit for work they didnt do, or 2. ripping out pieces of amvs to use in their own...

the mods here have no influence over there, they shouldnt have to deal with it.

Yok/0 · Post by **Yok/0** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:36 am

JaddziaDax wrote:some people do try to take claim...

as for someone willing to credit or atleast claim "I DID NOT MAKE THIS" or whatever... I'm sure that there are reasons for not wanting people to do even that...

1. it disrupts the creator's original control of their product (although by posting it on the internet you do that anyways)

2. some people dont want their name spread around too much for fear of coppywrite holders will find it.

3. some people just dont like what boochsack does to their video (it lowers the ql, desyncs the audio, ect... gotta love MACROBLOCKING) o.O

im sure there are more but i cant think of any...

either way the biggest problem our site has with the tube site is that people come HERE to complain that they steal the from here and upload there... either by 1. taking credit for work they didnt do, or 2. ripping out pieces of amvs to use in their own...

the mods here have no influence over there, they shouldnt have to deal with it.

I hear this also happening in conventions as well when it comes to "amv identity theft". But other than that the only thing that youtube don't got is their video quality sux.. the only way to beat it is unless google video merges which there have been talks.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:23 am

Yokou Seishirou wrote:But other than that the only thing that boochsack don't got is their video quality sux..

And they make it easy for people to host actual episodes, endangering every amv on the site when the inevitable fansub sweeps go through. What's the point of uploading a vid there when you know it'll be deleted as soon as the next anime company decides there are a few thousand too many copies of their show on That Site? I guess you can hide by not putting the name of the anime in the vid tags, but then no one's going to find your amv in a search, so that seems pointless, too. If they merge the quality might go up, but you can bet those anime sweeps will be a lot more frequent. Do you really think Inuyasha is the only anime they'll ban from That Site? o.O

Yok/0 · Post by **Yok/0** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:07 am

Arigatomina wrote:
Yokou Seishirou wrote:But other than that the only thing that boochsack don't got is their video quality sux..
And they make it easy for people to host actual episodes, endangering every amv on the site when the inevitable fansub sweeps go through. What's the point of uploading a vid there when you know it'll be deleted as soon as the next anime company decides there are a few thousand too many copies of their show on That Site? I guess you can hide by not putting the name of the anime in the vid tags, but then no one's going to find your amv in a search, so that seems pointless, too. If they merge the quality might go up, but you can bet those anime sweeps will be a lot more frequent. Do you really think Inuyasha is the only anime they'll ban from That Site? o.O

Thank you for bring that up, Ari. Persoanlly I find that the creators as idiots for not doing this sooner. After All I think of Inuyasha as DBZ for the Bishounen types but ne way. People Host shows all the time, like the simpsons, and family guy and what not. The shows that aren't canceled out of youtube are the ones that are "Not Scene" by youtube admins. Thus is possibly a promotional movement to promote dvds are TV views.

And as for the Inuyasha's ban on youtube being a herald of amv's demise I don't believe. If Funimation(DBZ),Cartoon Network(Naruto)(Bleach). Advent Children especially. These animes are also in the category of youtube turning a blind eye to these animes all in a matter of a way of free labor of comercialism.