Acceptable nudity

Uanime5 · Post by **Uanime5** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:29 pm

Flint the Dwarf wrote:Re-reading your post, I see you already knew that. Even so, you're in violation of hosatchel's Terms of Use, so you might want to take that down before someone flags you. Not sure what type of action they take against that type of video, but better safe than sorry.

Who is 'hotsatchel'? When I originally posted the link it was on youtube. Anyway youtube does not prohibit nudity / sex. Also since I can't edit my posts I can't remove the original link in this thread.

Kai Stromler · Post by **Kai Stromler** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:57 pm

Uanime5 wrote:
Flint the Dwarf wrote:Re-reading your post, I see you already knew that. Even so, you're in violation of hosatchel's Terms of Use, so you might want to take that down before someone flags you. Not sure what type of action they take against that type of video, but better safe than sorry.
Who is 'hotsatchel'? When I originally posted the link it was on hosatchel. Anyway hosatchel does not prohibit nudity / sex. Also since I can't edit my posts I can't remove the original link in this thread.

Please refer to their TOS, section 5.C.:

YouTube TOS wrote:C. In connection with User Submissions, you further agree that you will not: (i) submit material that is copyrighted, protected by trade secret or otherwise subject to third party proprietary rights, including privacy and publicity rights, unless you are the owner of such rights or have permission from their rightful owner to post the material and to grant YouTube all of the license rights granted herein; (ii) publish falsehoods or misrepresentations that could damage YouTube or any third party; (iii) submit material that is unlawful, obscene, defamatory, libelous, threatening, pornographic, harassing, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive, or encourages conduct that would be considered a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, violate any law, or is otherwise inappropriate; (iv) post advertisements or solicitations of business: (v) impersonate another person.

The nudity in this video is a lot more porny than artistic, so it's definitely in violation and will probably be deleted as soon as someone reports it.

--K

Uanime5 · Post by **Uanime5** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:07 am

It was not clear that they prohibited porn (I searched their site with words like sex and porn, and they came up with some results so I assumed it was acceptable). Anyway I have remove this video from their site.

Also it might be useful if on the video upload screen for a-m-v.org there was also an email you could use to contact the admin before submiting videos with sex or nudity to ask for advice (currently there is only one for submitting violent AMVs).

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:44 pm

Uanime5 wrote: Also it might be useful if on the video upload screen for a-m-v.org there was also an email you could use to contact the admin before submiting videos with sex or nudity to ask for advice (currently there is only one for submitting violent AMVs).

That's because hentai of any kind is not allowed to be hosted on local. In contrast, certain types of violence are allowed. That's why there's a check for that.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:06 pm

Well... "artistic" nudity is allowed. Just no explicit content, I believe.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:55 pm

"Hentai" content is explicit sex by it's very definition. If it's made to cause arousal and is explicitly showing sexual acts it's not getting a local link even if it is artistic (which IMHO is simply a label that can be freely thrown around because you can find at least a dosen people to say that anything is artistic no matter how offensive, erotic, or illegal it is).

usa mimi productions · Post by **usa mimi productions** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:55 pm

maybe find another person who would host the file for you? my amv wasn't hentai, but at same time was somethign tough to get a-m-v.org to host. kinda why i had to host my amv on my own domain. :\

Uanime5 · Post by **Uanime5** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:36 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:"Hentai" content is explicit sex by it's very definition. If it's made to cause arousal and is explicitly showing sexual acts it's not getting a local link even if it is artistic (which IMHO is simply a label that can be freely thrown around because you can find at least a dosen people to say that anything is artistic no matter how offensive, erotic, or illegal it is).

Okay, but what is artistic nudity (I'm guessing its not just nudity in painting, scupultures, and other works of art).

Also is there a specific reason why violence is allowed but nudity is not?

Kai Stromler · Post by **Kai Stromler** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:59 am

Uanime5 wrote:Also is there a specific reason why violence is allowed but nudity is not?

Because this site is hosted in the United States, and most of its users are also from the US. Also, this site is geared mainly towards anime fans, a large chunk of whom are not of legal age. If the .org were to host content including full, realistic nudity, they would have to, in order to comply with US law, filter access to that content based on proof of age, which would be a huge and colossally annoying beast to implement, largely impossible to verify, and still not sufficient to prevent the .org from getting blacklisted by every webfiltering package out there.

Hosting adult material on a general-use site with this level of visibility is a legal and logistical nightmare in the US, which is why no one wants to do it. There are plenty of high-visibility places that do adult hosting, and there are plenty of people breaking TOS and hosting porn on places where it's not allowed, hiding in the ground clutter of the anonymity given by low access rates, but nowhere is adult material explicitly allowed to be salted through non-age-restricted content.

The reason that the rules on violence are more lenient and more frequently violated (by, approximately, every Kenshin OVA video ever put on local, as well as countless others), is that standards on violence are laxer in the US than standards on sex, and people are less likely to complain about it. Also, audiences that are likely to object (13-year-olds' parents) have been conditioned to accept cartoon violence as a harmless abstraction with little connection to the real thing, but are not likely to think the same way about cartoon sex.

hth,

--K

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:46 am

"Artistic nudity" as the site (and most people) describe it is nudity not meant to be sexual in nature. Even though you get people looking for porn visiting nudist photographing pages (why is beyond me), that doesn't make nude photographs pornographic. When it's porn (i.e. people having sex with others or themselves or simply being in an erotic pose) it's not "artistic nudity." Can't you tell the difference? I'm not sure why this is so difficult to convey.