DEATH to the INTERNET, could affect AMV sites?

devilmaykickass · Post by **devilmaykickass** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:37 pm

CrackTheSky wrote:Heh. That means that as of right now, there are 101,124 instances of broken laws on this site alone. =O

Yep.

It's a wonder the site hasn't gotten more legality measures taken than the Evanescence/Creed/Seether thing, but I say total and utter (or atleast majorly) demise due to legalities is very likely to be in this site's future, more likely on the music side rather than the video side (anime companies really don't seem to care, and even somewhat condone).

Of course it's all just speculation with little basis. :3

Adv1sor · Post by **Adv1sor** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:44 pm

I hold to the hope that someone in power understands that, sites like this, generate far more sales of anime and music than the few people who use AMVs just to rip songs instead of paying for them.

I myself have bought several anime series, (notably Azamanga Dioh but others as well), after seeing them here for the first time in an AMV.

Also, I've purchased many many songs from IPOD mainly because I wanted them to make an AMV.

Am I alone in these types of expenditures?

I doubt it.

Will the free net survive? If it doesn't it's because we who pay ISPs will continue to do so even if they elect to limit our access.

devilmaykickass · Post by **devilmaykickass** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:47 pm

Adv1sor wrote:I hold to the hope that someone in power understands that, sites like this, generate far more sales of anime and music than the few people who use AMVs just to rip songs instead of paying for them.

I myself have bought several anime series, (notably Azamanga Dioh but others as well), after seeing them here for the first time in an AMV.

Also, I've purchased many many songs from IPOD mainly because I wanted them to make an AMV.

Am I alone in these types of expenditures?

I doubt it.

Will the free net survive? If it doesn't it's because we who pay ISPs will continue to do so even if they elect to limit our access.

And yet the majority of people on the site download all their source footage and audio to make their shitty videos with?

I mean sure there's people like you, but you can't deny the obvious...which is that you certainly aren't in the majority.

amvwizard · Post by **amvwizard** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:36 pm

*amvwiz sighs

This is absurd.

madbunny · Post by **madbunny** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:44 pm

amvwizard wrote:This is absurd.

Must .... resist .... urge ....to post.... absurd pics.....

Otohiko: you think the internet is commie? Far from it, it's one of run almost entirely on the corporate backbone networks. Those are FAR from being anything other than highly capitalist. It just happens to not be as obvious to most people.

Minion · Post by **Minion** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:05 pm

devilmaykickass wrote:
CrackTheSky wrote:It is?
Yes. Ripping DVDs in and of itself ALONE (that is, even if you don't do anything with that rip, just simply the act of ripping it) is illegal.

i'm no lawyer, but i don't think making backups is illegal so long as it's not distributed in any way

older_gohan · Post by **older_gohan** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:10 pm

actually it's more specific saying that any distribution in the intent of gainaing money from showing, or selling is strictly illegal. Otherwise if it's for personal use and no profitable gain then it's no problem.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:15 pm

madbunny wrote: Otohiko: you think the internet is commie? Far from it, it's one of run almost entirely on the corporate backbone networks. Those are FAR from being anything other than highly capitalist. It just happens to not be as obvious to most people.

I think it's evident I was being just a tad sarcastic.

That said, the internet is definitely not some payless hack network, but many communities around it (such as the .org here) are the closest thing to actual communism, except possibly King Karl's dreams.

I am of course very left-leaning in general and I think the problems that are happening on the internet are small fish compared to what's happening in the rest of society. A lot of people are dashing for the internet with slogans now, but the corporations running the show didn't come from the internet, and that's not where you'll "win" any "battles" against them I think.

/skeptic?

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:22 pm

Minion wrote:
devilmaykickass wrote:
CrackTheSky wrote:It is?
Yes. Ripping DVDs in and of itself ALONE (that is, even if you don't do anything with that rip, just simply the act of ripping it) is illegal.
i'm no lawyer, but i don't think making backups is illegal so long as it's not distributed in any way

It is illegal if you are circumventing "copyright protection and management systems" to do so.

Currently, there are four exemptions to the anticircumvention measure in effect, and none of them pertain to making backups of DVDs.
You can read the 2000 exemptions here and the 2003 exemptions (which are currently in effect) here.

The next ruling is due to occur on October 27th of this year.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:23 pm

trythil wrote:
Minion wrote:
devilmaykickass wrote:
CrackTheSky wrote:It is?
Yes. Ripping DVDs in and of itself ALONE (that is, even if you don't do anything with that rip, just simply the act of ripping it) is illegal.
i'm no lawyer, but i don't think making backups is illegal so long as it's not distributed in any way
It is illegal if you are circumventing "copyright protection and management systems" to do so.

Currently, there are four exemptions to the anticircumvention measure in effect, and none of them pertain to making backups of DVDs.
You can read the 2000 exemptions here and the 2003 exemptions (which are currently in effect) here.

The next ruling is due to occur on October 27th of this year.

I should of course point out that this all applies to the United States. Other countries may be worse or better off.