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Post by Brakus » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:14 pm

IcyCloud wrote:Brakus, no offense intended, but complaining about the fact isn't going to change things. It's not normally something I would say, except that I've seen a lot of these types of posts from you in the past. I mean, sure, everyone gets disappointed if their video doesn't make finals. But if you're not satisfied with that, the only thing that will change it is to put more effort into next year's entry.
I'll be honest: I knew I had a longshot chance going in, especially after seeing all the videos in Pro this year. And again, I made a good video, but not one of the best ones (in the contest, or even of my other videos). I already talked about what I did wrong, which leads me to.....
Experiment, gather feedback, and see what exactly it is in your past videos that could use improvement. Focus in on the weaker aspects until things are up to snuff.
One thing I've always done is debut a new video for Pro, and the feedback I get here and in e-mail does help. That's one thing about Pro - the judging is blinded, so no one (ideally) knows who made everybody else's video when they first see it.
Sorry if any of that came off harsh, but honest feedback is usually the best bet.
That didn't come off as harsh at all, actually. And I do appreciate the nice feedback.
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p.s. So far I haven't divulged to y'all what video I did this year for Pro.... not that anybody cares, but still. :)
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Post by jbone » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:12 pm

Brakus, I'll be blunt:

Perhaps your videos aren't very good, and that's why they never receive AWA Pro nominations? Maybe it has nothing to do with any of the other videos in the contest?

Note that I'm not saying this to badmouth you, I'm just pointing out the most logical and reasonable conclusion.
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Post by AMV_4000 » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:19 pm

jbone wrote:Brakus, I'll be blunt:

Perhaps your videos aren't very good, and that's why they never receive AWA Pro nominations? Maybe it has nothing to do with any of the other videos in the contest?

Note that I'm not saying this to badmouth you, I'm just pointing out the most logical and reasonable conclusion.
... that wouldnt explain why the past 3 years i have been nominated in 2 categories each year... luck?? maby... skill?? HELL NO!

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Post by dokool » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:40 pm

jbone wrote:Brakus, I'll be blunt:

Perhaps your videos aren't very good, and that's why they never receive AWA Pro nominations? Maybe it has nothing to do with any of the other videos in the contest?

Note that I'm not saying this to badmouth you, I'm just pointing out the most logical and reasonable conclusion.
I'm getting this insane sense of deja vu - like the need has arisen for someone to tell him this in other contest threads, too.

Oh, wait... :roll:

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Post by Pwolf » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:14 pm

Brakus wrote:Anybody know of a good place to learn AfterEffects? ;-)
F1
Brakus wrote:p.s. So far I haven't divulged to y'all what video I did this year for Pro.... not that anybody cares, but still. :)
i would like to know, cuase you say it's so good.


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Post by Kitsuner » Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:47 pm

Didn't he already tell us it was the FLCL one? o.o

maybe i just imagined that... :/
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Post by genestarwind21122 » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:41 am

Brakus I think its time to back down from this. Seriously I did not make the final cut either but I still enjoyed the contest. And if people enjoyed my video while watching it at their house that's great. There were some great videos this year and "Sending Freedom" while it has won "Best of Show" at one convention and "Best Action" at another I knew Pro was going to be tough. This was my second year entering Pro. However next year I'll wait to release my video so that way it is not known which vid is mine if anybody did try to research the vids. I would like to have a video dedicated to AWA if I could. I just ran out of time this year for the project I was working due to some technical problems at the recording studios. Well anyways 4 more days until the dinner.

Gene Starwind 21122

Oh do they show all the Pro entries at the con? I'm just curious how this works since it'll be my first AWA I'll be going to.
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Post by mexicanjunior » Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:48 pm

Dang, I should have entered Pro... :(

I watched the first 2 discs, about 4 or 5 stood out to me but the rest seemed kind of generic...

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Post by outlawed » Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:54 pm

Oh Noes! The Outlaw is posting. I need to preface this post with a few quick points.
1) I did not submit this year
2) I did not see this year's entries
3) No I will not explain who I am =p

Why am I posting? Besides the fact I figure I'm a great troublemaker I feel I have some legitimate content/advice I can offer to this discussion.

First a few quick shout-outs:
Ashyukun wrote:This actually provided far more amusement for me than I expected when a number of people who were at ACen didn't remember that it was my video- including the contest coordinator. :wink:
Dat one weird Ghibli show no one knew? That was you?! Fire the contest coordinators they have shitty record keeping. Rumor has it their tech randomized the vidoes by putting everyone's mail entries on his living room floor in a pile =p

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Actually I like the video as you included Doctor Who
SailorDeath has always shamelessly gone for the geek vote! Have him show you his Acen intro from this year. Totally dedicated to AMV Legend Quu (R.I.P.)

Beowulf wrote:In short: LEARN 2 PLAY NUB
My advice to people who play frantic videogame shooters like Soukyugurentai and Dodonpachi has always been: It's pretty simple just don't fuck up and let the bullets hit you. I like the easy way of explaining things.

Illia Sadri wrote:Not sure if this is good or bad, but we don't have any incredibly risque vids. The worst we get are bouncing boobies (bouncing Eiken boobies no less.) No Unclefucker or Internet is for Porn or enormous penis. It seemed.... strange. I am so used to having that hard come up at least once warning this is a vid that is 18+ and the reason we sign the damn sheet.
The horror of the comedy + XXX combination of Celine Dione and Urotsukidoji has been forgotten. This is probably a good thing.

Illia Sadri wrote:And on that note: What has happened to comedy over the year; not just here but cons in general? Have all the good ideas been done? Now it seems almost all of them are amvhell style videos.

From my perspective comedy has often been pretty weak consistently over the years. It's just now it seems very few people are even trying to do AMV style ones. Before we'd see videos that tried hard and at least got a few laughs but were ultimately a stretched joke. Now I get the impression that if people don't think they can pull the killer project off then they won't try to submit something half-assed. From a creator point of view this is logical but to the audience it would be a different story I think.



Ok on to my rambling tirade now I guess.

The topic of weaker content in contests this year has been a re-occurring one. Some consider copycat videos to be a big part, others drive home the strong interest in drama videos as affecting contest diversity which lessens opinions of the overall contest, some blame blipverts, others deride the increase of videos focused around editing and tech rather than plot and the emotional. The largest concern to me though is not any of these nor remotely related. My concern is related to mindset of the amv creators who are submitting to these contests. The big problem I have seen is that we are losing diversity in the way people approach this little hobby. The AMV has become so big that it has spawned into its own thing. No longer are AMV creators just anime fans who like to make AMVs. The AMV creator has grown into its own. Before his/her primary interest was not only in AMVs but the anime itself. How many of you have taken the time to see more of the classics of yesteryear? How many of you know at least 50% of the new shows which will begin airing in the next anime season come October? How many of you are seeking out information about anime from Japanese sources? Chances are very few. The AMV creator is surrounded with anime and sources that were previously unavailable to those back in the day and with this the labor of love towards particular shows has lessened and/or changed in its manner.

I consider myself one who makes an AMV based on a set concept or an AMV to fit the theme of the anime itself or its characters. These days I am somewhat of a dying breed. Everyone wants to put characters in situations they would normally not be in whether it be a crossover or a various video set to a theme. In general the focus shifted from the anime to the video as I see it. I am not saying this mindset is bad or wrong. Without a balance though you begin to become bored of the repetition. Good editing and technique will only carry you so far. Eventually that drama video about relationships in general that meant so much to you translates to just another amv to many others. I have particularly found this problem with videos focused 100% on the song and using their favorite anime rather than drawing on anime that fit the mold. Use the themes from the anime itself /gasp ? Call it obvious. I call it an understanding of the anime. The similarity between songs in the same genre can easily impact the overall impression everyone is taking from the contests this year as well. Are we diverse? If the mindset is too similar then most people are going to approach AMVs in the same way.

As an AMV creator I've been seen as many things over the years. Hack, unrecognizable, and asshole might come to mind =p. I've never heard anyone say unoriginal though. I'm an anime fan first and foremost and AMV creator secondary. I was here for the beginning of the online breakout that came in 1999 with AMVs. I've never had the output or recognition that a lot of my "peers" have had over the years despite my own successes in the early acen contests. This is because ultimately I never gave a shit about the "amv community" or its opinions or my online amv presence. I know there are people on this site and other amv sites who desperately want to "be known." My advice to you is to forget it. The very amv community status you seek can only limit you. I don't need someone to tell me what to do. Acen 1999 put a call out for AMV panelists. A first time submitter sent in that he'd sit on that panel and promptly got a good laugh from the panel organizer. You know what though? That same organizer thought maybe they did need some people with that type of attitude submitting. You know what I wish? That I or Julius got an e-mail like that during our 2006 acen work. People seem to be yearning for better videos. Myself I'm not looking for better videos I'm looking for different concepts and ideas. We may yet see some new comedy videos if people weren't concerned with the quality of the editing and the opinions of people on this site, the internet in general, the contest staff, and the fans. If you've got the guts and the balls then fuck worrying about the quality of your editing and work the concept. You may very well be surprised with what you find. That is the problem as I see it. A lot of the new creators in the last few years probably spent too much time looking at all the seasoned veterans' videos and paying too much attention to the opinions and stats that are generated on this site. AMV creators are poor examples to use as influences or learn creativity from when there are much better sources to immerse oneself in.

I've always marched to the beat of my own drum and will continue to do so. My only wish is that others out there will discover they too have their own drum.

Now somebody pass me the Negra Modelo because I've forgotten wtf I was responding to.

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Post by dwchang » Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:00 pm

*skims thread*

Ah yet another thread and AWA Pro where certain people whine and complain...

It's amazing how similar the AMV community and people are every year.

Consistency FTW!

*goes back to not making AMVs* :)
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