Thoughts on substance in AMVs

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:51 am

The very idea behind Jihaku is to narrate th freeking Best of You video. it is as much a story as Pwolf's the world crashes down is a news report is a story.

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:02 am

Knowname wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:Looked what up? Another definition of 'story' which exists your mind as some kind of omni-word that correlates to many other words that don't necessarily have anything to do with the word 'story'?

Koopiskeva wrote:Story in an AMV does not equal backstory or history of what happened, you're basically interpreting that based on your own logic and not of what is actually shown. |:

Koopiskeva wrote:You tell me that you believe in the definition that is stated by dictionary.com of 'story' yet you completely disregard it by adding your own view upon how it is applied to amvs.
here's the full thing, I'll let you decide what is relevant and what is not since, apparently, I cannot.

So.. you once again, disregarded my points and just backed down.. good job. |:

Dictionary.com wrote:dictionary stuff + knowname stuff

So.. where is it in those relevant definitions that you found where story correlated with all other elements of an amv? |: ?

Knowname wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:So.. you're shaping everything in your mind that can be purely nonsensical to have a story of some kind. Good work. |:
who's to decide what is important and what's not. For instance in your milk store scenerio I found a few other points you could have used but didn't say anything cuz regardless the outcome would have been the same.

I never said anything about anything being more important than the other. Where are you inferring this from? |:

Knowname wrote: in order to mimic the video he must also mimiced it's ... wait a sec, the very rock video is just a giant narration, you can even say Jihaku itself is just a narration for it's subject.

What narration? |: ... the singer reflected his emotions through song.. where is this narration |: ?

Knowname wrote:and because I know this will come up next,

Dictionary.com wrote:adj : consisting of or characterized by the telling of a story; "narrative poetry" n : a message that tells the particulars of an act or occurrence or course of events; presented in writing or drama or cinema or as a radio or television program

What? |: ?

Koopiskeva wrote:You haven't given me any reason to think that I should even take you seriously, just a bunch of words re-circulating what I've been saying and avoiding the hard points I've been giving you. |:

Knowname wrote:oh? you mean, like this?
Koopiskeva wrote:Ok, so...
or this?
Koopiskeva wrote:Are you sure you even know the english language? |:

Koopiskeva wrote:Ok... ...?

Koopiskeva wrote:And in conclusion, gome. Next please.

Those were in response to the non sensical points that you were making that had nothing to do with the arguement nor did you explain how your arguements had anything to do with them. |:

Knowname wrote: they are mutually exclusive in that without a story you have no progression, but that's not what directly leads too the progression.

Ok .. so if story does not directly lead to progression, then what does...? Doesn't that mean that there are other elements of a video which therefore help lead into a progression? Therefore allowing for the possibility that story does not have to exist for progresssion to occur.

Knowname wrote:you CAN have a story without progression,

I've already said that pal |:

Knowname wrote: you are, and you think WAY to highly of yourself. I have not scene Saikano so I wouldn't know, you make WAY too many assumptions and your too stubborn to see anything but red when annoyed.

So.. you haven't seen saikano.. yet you have the arrogance for stating that my video doesn't have a story... even before I stated that it didn't and was not meant to.. good job. |: And once again, disregarding the FACT that it had such a noticeable progression enough to win an award based on that merit. |:

Knowname wrote: Possibly, prove me wrong and I'll gladly change my views.

Already have pal.. already have. |:

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:06 am

knowname is the embodiment of what koop is ranting about...

Pwolf

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:09 am

no, that was one last try at relevateing this conversation, THIS is backing down.

[quote=Pwaffle]knowname is the embodiment of what koop is ranting about...[/quote]

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:10 am

Knowname wrote:The very idea behind Jihaku is to narrate th freeking Best of You video. it is as much a story as Pwolf's the world crashes down is a news report is a story.

o.O yea wtf does that mean? it's not a newreport (tho i did use audio segments from news reports in the video...) and it has no story.

Pwolf

Nessephanie · Post by **Nessephanie** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:12 am

Koopiskeva wrote:
Knowname wrote: you are, and you think WAY to highly of yourself. I have not scene Saikano so I wouldn't know, you make WAY too many assumptions and your too stubborn to see anything but red when annoyed.
So.. you haven't seen saikano.. yet you have the arrogance for stating that my video doesn't have a story... even before I stated that it didn't and was not meant to.. good job. |: And once again, disregarding the FACT that it had such a noticeable progression enough to win an award based on that merit. |:

hahahaha

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:30 am

For the love of god, lock this thread. All that's really been said and agreed upon is that videos are subjective, and everyone should know that by now.

My personal opinion: the best videos have a story that's somewhat followable. Either in my eyes or the creator's, whatever. Story is story, whether I put it there or not. But taking acid before watching a video doesn't change the video, it just changes the perception. So one could say that anything put in a video is irrelevent, because it's all up for interpretation.

In which case, none of this discussion matters in the slightest.

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:35 am

Koopiskeva wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:Ok, so...
or this?
Koopiskeva wrote:Are you sure you even know the english language? |:

Koopiskeva wrote:Ok... ...?

Koopiskeva wrote:And in conclusion, gome. Next please.

Those were in response to the non sensical points that you were making that had nothing to do with the arguement nor did you explain how your arguements had anything to do with them. |:[/quote]

Oh, grow up Koop. I'm not gonna stoop down to your level and reply to your nonsensical drivel so why do you do that to mine?? You are truley a complex loon.

Koopiskeva wrote:So.. you haven't seen saikano.. yet you have the arrogance for stating that my video doesn't have a story... even before I stated that it didn't and was not meant to.. good job. |: And once again, disregarding the FACT that it had such a noticeable progression enough to win an award based on that merit. |:

are you complaining about my op I left you when you released it?? cuz other than that, I can't fathom when I'd say such a thing... other than this thread which you started by saying 'I do not make an AMV to show a story'.

Next your probley gonna tell me that 'I can make an amv without an intentional story, yet it has such a strong one everybody thinks it's my intent! ARENTITEHL33TEST???'

Koopiskeva wrote:
Knowname wrote: Possibly, prove me wrong and I'll gladly change my views.
Already have pal.. already have. |:

You proved to me that I found the wrong video is all, but I would be hipocritical if I did continue trying to win a war with you so whatever. Have fun with your award you never intended to compete for, it's as backassward as everything else you do.

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:39 am

Pwolf wrote:
Knowname wrote:The very idea behind Jihaku is to narrate th freeking Best of You video. it is as much a story as Pwolf's the world crashes down is a news report is a story.
o.O yea wtf does that mean? it's not a newreport (tho i did use audio segments from news reports in the video...) and it has no story.

Pwolf

I'll try to answer you, but if I can't it's cuz somebody locked this thread.

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:47 am

Pwolf wrote:
Knowname wrote:The very idea behind Jihaku is to narrate th freeking Best of You video. it is as much a story as Pwolf's the world crashes down is a news report is a story.
o.O yea wtf does that mean? it's not a newreport (tho i did use audio segments from news reports in the video...) and it has no story.

Pwolf

a narration is "consisting of or characterized by the telling of a story" Jihaku's very info page says "it's the same theme of the song, same theme of the original music video." therefore it IS a retelling of a story. Hopefully your more literate than Koop in that you can 1 figure out that a and b match or 2 show me some hard evidence where I went wrong.