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Post by Keeper of Hellfire » Mon May 08, 2006 11:20 am

superboi wrote:On youtub and myspace it's all streaming, so I don't have to worry about other people doing whatever they like with the videos that I make, ... It's not really a great idea, and I think you guys should really look into streaming video. I know the resolution is lost a lil, but I rather that than handing over my hard work to strangers.
I hate streaming videos. They steal bandwith everytime I want to watch them. I have to be online if I want to watch them. The quality sucks. I don't put effort in cleaning the footage to have it downgraded this way. I hate it, so why should I do it to others? And no, it doesn't prevent from stealing. With the right tools, streams can be captured too. And noone stops you from hosting your AMv at streaming sites. It's not a requirement to host them here.

It's sad that such things happen. The only thing that probably helps against such theft is placing a watermark right in the middle of the AMV so that there is no chance to cut it out. :roll: But I wouldn't like to see my AMV's crippled that way.

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Post by superboi » Mon May 08, 2006 12:01 pm

it's not that much effort to watch streaming video. You point and click, and wait like a good lil boy. Lots of Anime series are on streaming sites, and I think it's really great so you don't have to download for 4 hrs. Course I download anyway cuz I may want to edit them.

Anyway, because the quality is a lil bit worse in streaming, I still feel it's safer at youtube than here. Even if they can download it from youtube, they're gonna get a low quality along w/ it I assume.

I don't.... I may be wrong. I'm probably just being paranoid, but I don't care. As far as I know none of my stuff has been stolen, so I'm not worrying yet.
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Post by Tormentor » Mon May 08, 2006 12:10 pm

Well Superboi, we have a good society here. As long as one doesn#t notice that others make cash with the own vid everything is perfectly okay. Besides in this community here we have each other to review our videos. Most of the people here like this page and by the possibility to dl one can share videos more easy. I mean we are not changing the world with them, but at least everybody here knows which video belongs to whom. As long as the feedback is there everything is okay, we don't have the need for a paranoia.

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Post by JaddziaDax » Mon May 08, 2006 12:48 pm

ive found more "theives" on youtube than any other site... though most of them seem to just want to share the video they found with people... most of them use videos WITHOUT permission..

either way... no worries... im not sure what to make of this new site... amvs should never make money.

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Post by superboi » Mon May 08, 2006 2:34 pm

yeah I know alot of people do it on youtube, but atleast they say they didn't make it, and don't try to take credit for it.

Anyway I saw the original, and it was cool. I wish u pointed out which were hentai's and which weren't in the credits. That would be freakin awesome. "My Annaconda don't want none of that.." That part was GREAT!!!! I laughed my ass off so hard.
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Post by Qyot27 » Mon May 08, 2006 4:13 pm

Keeper of Hellfire wrote:And no, it doesn't prevent from stealing. With the right tools, streams can be captured too.
Actually, I've still not found something that can capture Quicktime RTSP (although I thought that one program in particular could, but if it really does, it requires hex editing to get the video into usable form). Currently that's the only one that I know of that can't be though (RealMedia RTSP can be captured with just about any stream capturing software).

Unfortunately, it's actually much higher quality than your average streaming media, about on par with the freely watchable (and downloadable with the right know-how) music videos that iTunes used to have available before they launched the video store. Case in point: the Dani California video that's streaming from the Red Hot Chili Peppers' offical site.




Eh, if you don't want people to steal your video footage, it's probably pretty safe right now to just use a format that's not easily manipulated without knowing your way around AviSynth or Graphedit. Most people who try to take credit or do crap like all this controversy over YT or this new site I would bet don't really know much more about converting video formats than trying to open it in WMM and export as WMV, which only works in some circumstances which are very limited in scope. MPEG-1, DivX/XviD in AVI, WMV...yeah, those are fair game because they require very little in the way of conversion knowledge - at the very least, WMM and possibly VirtualDub as a last resort.

I've already switched to H.264 in MKV, and yeah, I've already seen the sheer amount of downloads go down just because of the format (never mind that I also had an indirect link to an XviD version for one or two of them, but it didn't get nearly as many clicks either). Fact of the matter is, if they can't play it or be bothered to mess with it, they're not going to take the time to try to pass it off as their own or convert it to another format so they can hack it to pieces. I could care less about the amount of people that see it; sooner or later the standards of encoding are going to change and the viewers have to cope. It happened before and it'll happen again. A lot of the historical bias against MKV is just not true anymore (VSFilter actually was the source of the problems anyway, if I remember correctly, that and people having codec packs already installed), and it's been proven, via CoreAVC, that even low-end machines like mine can play H.264, given the bitrate isn't too high (which it shouldn't be in most cases, because of the advanced features that AVC possesses), and it's not HD - which would be the case for the vast majority of AMVs at present. The point is, unless there's some magical, readily available, n00b-friendly and completely obvious conversion software, it's currently a tad sight more complicated than just plopping the video down in WMM's timeline or using VirtualDub without AviSynth, and more complicated in a direction that most that have the impulse to plagarize avoid like the plague.

I'm not saying everyone should immediately switch so that they can protect their editing, because sooner or later it is going to become [even more so] child's play to convert out, but I can't foresee that people will bother much to try because the current tools will probably still have far more clout behind them than ones meant to specifically deal with newer formats/containers. While the fansubbing and AMV communities might have near completely moved onto H.264 in MP4 or MKV three years from now, the average user will still be confused why DivX in AVI won't play on their computer.
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Post by xnamkcor » Mon May 08, 2006 5:13 pm

I hope they don't steal my Zelda DDR video. That would suck.

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Post by bulmafox » Mon May 08, 2006 9:34 pm

Keeper of Hellfire wrote:I hate streaming videos. They steal bandwith everytime I want to watch them. I have to be online if I want to watch them.
Exactly. I want to be able to watch AMVs I like when I want to watch them. And my modem intermittently likes to go out, sometimes for hours at a time, so I'm out of luck if I want to watch my favorite video I can only watch online. :(
Qyot27 wrote:Eh, if you don't want people to steal your video footage, it's probably pretty safe right now to just use a format that's not easily manipulated without knowing your way around AviSynth or Graphedit.
And that, more than anything, will make me not want to watch your video. I hate proprietary formats.
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Post by Lyrs » Mon May 08, 2006 9:55 pm

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Post by guy07 » Mon May 08, 2006 10:43 pm

Did I hear someone say making amvs is 'fun'? WHO SAID THAT! This is a war people! There is no time for fun! Only time for editing and pooping! But yeah, um, selling amvs is wrong, if u wana get paid to edit, get a job as a video editor. Or something.

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