So many videos use cliche rock, why?

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So many videos use cliche rock, why?

Post by shpongles » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:14 pm

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed the abundance of hard modern rock in AMVs here. There's already a bunch of discussion on it around. :)

BUT they just keep coming! ...So I ask, why?
It's as unoriginal as you can get with music. The only rationale I can make of this is that lots of people who listen to mainstream bands make mainstream AMVs... hoping that mainstreamers will watch it. Is not being an "audiophile" a justifiable excuse?

Rock (and rap while we're at it) is just so very irrelevant to anime, of course there will always be exceptions. But for the most part it just doesn't look/sound right; no synergy.

Anyways, the best AMVs I've seen never use rock. Instead they use distinctive instrumental, vocal, or electronic music. But again, there will always be exceptions.

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Post by Scintilla » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:41 pm

Then I would suggest you take a look at (among others) <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... Evangelion Opus</a>, <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 91">Hare's Mom</a>, Kevin Caldwell's <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... ">Engel</a>, <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... >Deceptive Passions</a>, <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... >Something Better</a>, <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... >Shameless Rock Video</a>, and <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... ithless</a>. :?

And isn't <i>liking the music</i> a justifiable excuse?
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Post by JaddziaDax » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:40 pm

yea people make what they like.

personally I enjoy alot of "mainstream" rock, but also, alot of the amvs i enjoy are derived from musicals (oh geeze why?!?!) or random internet finds (like homestarrunner.com) or random audio rips from "underground" pop culture (Clerks, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, ect...)

I dont usually like rap, but if done well i can enjoy it... (1 and 1/2 videos come to mind on that one... mostly cause theres so few of them)

most "techno" amvs i find are mostly filled with random effects, and while i can respect them for what they are, and the work they went into them... sometimes they can get borring to me because of the repetitive sounds that come from the music... so an editorer would have to come up with something new each round to keep my attention...

so yea, people make what they like, theres and audience for every genre of music...

its just that most of the people on this site listen to rock, and especially modern POP rock.... and maybe thats what they enjoy so thats what they want to share?

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Post by Dookstar » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:09 pm

I like alot of non main stream music.. but its still rcok and still works well in AMV's "the matches, thousand foot krutch, soil, panic at the disco.. etc.."

its like sports, if it works why change a good thing? I assume when we start to get more people bitching about rocker vids.. we'll all change and the new main stream will come in " ... sadly i think its gonna be rap or shall i say IS rap"

but thats a whole different convo :P

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Post by Bote » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:24 pm

Rock at it's best is 1967-1980. Everything after and before I don't acknowledge. :|

In 21st century there is no such thing as rock. What you call rock is a hybrid of 5 different types of music plus shitty lyrics and a lot of promotion, most oftenly overblown.

As for videos, if you're tired of watching videos with "rock" music why don't you try dlding vids with other musical genres? There's nothing you can do about it, people are gonna keep using the music they like. If you don't like it, ignore it and focus on other sort of vids. The best vids on this site are the ones that weren't edited to popular songs, so be my guest and do a little search. :)
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Post by trythil » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:40 pm

Scintilla wrote:And isn't <i>liking the music</i> a justifiable excuse?
ABSOLUTELY NOT! You must submit to shpongles' musical preferences or SUFFER THE STIGMA OF UNORIGINALITY.

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Re: So many videos use cliche rock, why?

Post by Qyot27 » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:43 pm

shpongles wrote:I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed the abundance of hard modern rock in AMVs here. There's already a bunch of discussion on it around. :)
If by 'hard modern rock' you're referring to nauseating amounts of nü-metal and 3rd Wave Post-Grunge/Hard Alt. Rock, then I agree, to a point. It may have been original at some point (likely around 2000-2001), but now it's a bit outplayed.
BUT they just keep coming! ...So I ask, why?
It's as unoriginal as you can get with music. The only rationale I can make of this is that lots of people who listen to mainstream bands make mainstream AMVs... hoping that mainstreamers will watch it. Is not being an "audiophile" a justifiable excuse?
AMV editors are just as susceptible to the industry's attempts to shovel the cesspool of music down people's throats as anybody else. Admittedly, the forums are somewhat unrepresentative of that, but when it does happen, what the video lacks in musical originality it usually makes up for in editing, which many of the rest that don't use the forums lack (again, exceptions exist, but the concentration isn't as high).
Rock (and rap while we're at it) is just so very irrelevant to anime, of course there will always be exceptions. But for the most part it just doesn't look/sound right; no synergy.
So I guess that discredits all those anime series that actually use rock and rap in their original soundtracks?
Anyways, the best AMVs I've seen never use rock. Instead they use distinctive instrumental, vocal, or electronic music. But again, there will always be exceptions.
Even defining 'electronic music' is a tricky subject, as it's an outcropping of rock most times; it separated from rock in the late 60s and grew increasingly apart during the 70s, only for a few forms to merge back in during the 80s and 90s. Industrial or Alternative Dance, for instance, are just as much rock as they are electronic music. Unless you're using something like Merzbow, of course, but I don't know anyone who has ever attempted that (and I wouldn't be very inclined to watch a video where the song selection is composed of bursts of static and distorted, bloodcurdling screams).
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Re: So many videos use cliche rock, why?

Post by Otohiko » Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:00 pm

(hats off on the Shpongle dude, whatever your views are...)

Frankly, I love rock music in AMVs. Yes, that real rock music. And I think there's honestly not enough of it!

I'll explain:
Yes, there is an oversaturation of some artists. But there is also a lack of others.

At the end of the day, there are many artists in any genre, rock be included, that don't get used enough. That's been my complaint with AMVs from the beginning.

Solution?
If you want to see more AMVs to something - make them yourself. That's what I've been doing for 3 years now!
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Post by Melanchthon » Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:09 pm

shpongles wrote:The only rationale I can make of this is that lots of people who listen to mainstream bands make mainstream AMVs... hoping that mainstreamers will watch it.
My first thought is 'because it's easy to synch to and the lyrics are general enough to be applied to a wide variety of sources'. It seems kind of obvious to say this, but mainstream music gets used more in AMVs because more people hear it. If a thousand people hear a song and a million hear another, then it's more likely that there's at least one person in the second group who gets an idea from it.

I'm not sure about the influence of peer approval. Generic videos usually fall off the first page of Announcements within a couple of days, but then again this is the only AMV-related place I frequent and I doubt that the posters here are a representative sample of AMV makers.
Rock (and rap while we're at it) is just so very irrelevant to anime, of course there will always be exceptions. But for the most part it just doesn't look/sound right; no synergy.
I have noticed that not only do I most enjoy the first good video I see to a particular rock song, but that I am unable to fully connect with later vids. I haven't really given it much thought, but it might be because the generality of the lyrics makes me make my own associations between the audio and the video, and once I've done that it's hard to shake off the connection.

What makes you think two whole genres of music (with exceptions) are 'just so very irrelevant to anime'? What genres do you think do go well with anime? Is it only Japanese animation that you find unsuited to rock and rap, or animation from all countries? Really, I'm curious. Why such a big generalision?

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Re: So many videos use cliche rock, why?

Post by Prodigi » Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:19 pm

Rock (and rap while we're at it) is just so very irrelevant to anime, of course there will always be exceptions. But for the most part it just doesn't look/sound right; no synergy.
So I guess that discredits all those anime series that actually use rock and rap in their original soundtracks?[/quote]
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I'd like to find one person who can watch Beck and tell me that rock/punk is totally irrelevant to that anime.

Also you have to consider the animes themselves. Some animes contain absolutely no dramatic plot, and just insane action (such as Dead Leaves), making it nearly impossible to not use a rock style song. I say nearly impossible because i'm afraid Rozard will come in and prove me wrong.

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