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Post by celibi87 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:57 pm

madbunny wrote:Doesn't anybody see the irony here?

The record company gets pissed when we take their stuff and do things with it without their permission, the anime companies get pissed when we to the same thing.

Now, someone is taking something that you spent time and effort on and doing things to it without your permission... and you get pissed. Your response? To act exactly like the record companies that you hate so badly.
i see the irony, iw as chuckling about it last night.

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Post by Kalium » Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:43 pm

madbunny wrote:The record company gets pissed when we take their stuff and do things with it without their permission, the anime companies get pissed when we to the same thing.

Now, someone is taking something that you spent time and effort on and doing things to it without your permission... and you get pissed. Your response? To act exactly like the record companies that you hate so badly.
You're missing a very important distinction: we credit our sources.

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Post by SSJVegita0609 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:02 pm

Kalium wrote:
madbunny wrote:The record company gets pissed when we take their stuff and do things with it without their permission, the anime companies get pissed when we to the same thing.

Now, someone is taking something that you spent time and effort on and doing things to it without your permission... and you get pissed. Your response? To act exactly like the record companies that you hate so badly.
You're missing a very important distinction: we credit our sources.
x2, Plus AMVs aren't the same as taking a song and saying we wrote it, or taking an anime and saying we animated it. Conceptually, people simply posting someone else's work and saying they made it is very different from taking two sources and spending 20 hours creating something new from them. You're not making much sense, madbunny.
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Post by madbunny » Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:55 pm

So, what you guys are saying is that if some stranger takes your video and posts is someplace without your permission it's ok as long as they say that you made it?

You guys are cool with that? If say your video becomes the symbol for Hotgaystudz.com, regardless of whether or not you know about it, so long as you get credit right? If they take your work, slap some new music on it and say that originally it came from you, but it's theirs now is that cool too?

Essentially what I see happening here is that somebody posted a bunch of stuff that they found, maybe here, maybe on p2p. Who knows? When the original creator of the video found it, they asked youtube to remove it. Youtube asked them to prove that they had the rights to it. Obviously, most AMV creators are not going to have that. So, when they couldn't get them to remove it by asking nicely, they started trying to come up with ways of either forcing youtube to remove their vids, or exposing them to other entities that can do so?

Am I missing something here?

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Post by Ileia » Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:06 pm

madbunny wrote:If say your video becomes the symbol for Hotgaystudz.com,
I see you found out about that. :oops:
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Post by JaddziaDax » Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:08 pm

imphill wrote:WEll. im not boasting or anything but my vids haven't made there way yet, suckers.
awww no one wants to steal your crappy videos!!! :( :?

lmao

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YouTube Bastards

Post by The_Enchanted_Butterfly » Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:11 pm

I'm a member of YouTube... at first I didn't think that it was all that bad... boy was I wrong...

There are so many videos on there from a-m-v.org. I post my own videos and some that I find on here, but I always give credits with something like: "Found this on Animemusicvideos.org" "I didn't make this video" "Not mine"

Then I see other people on there who completely take credit for videos for we all know that they didn't make; that we could easily find on here by searching for the anime, song and artist.

The YouTube people are just stupid. When the user clearly says that they didn't make the video, I find comments asking how that user made the video, that they did a great job, and that they should continue to make videos. Bull. The site is full of noobs.

And then there's the whole issue of copyrights. I posted full anime episodes on there, so that my friends who have never seen the raw versions could watch. Then YouTube took them down saying that it was copyrighted footage or something like that, when I saw an episode of Naruto on there and no one cares that it's uploaded. I'm just pissed.

If it's not your video, you should never take credit for if and it you work for YouTube you shouldn't tolerate this. It's just ludicrous.


Btw, who do these emotions belong to? I thought that they were created by Gaiaonline.com ":!:"
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Re: YouTube Bastards

Post by The_Enchanted_Butterfly » Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:15 pm

The_Enchanted_Butterfly wrote:I'm a member of YouTube... at first I didn't think that it was all that bad... boy was I wrong...

There are so many videos on there from a-m-v.org. I post my own videos and some that I find on here, but I always give credits with something like: "Found this on Animemusicvideos.org" "I didn't make this video" "Not mine"

Then I see other people on there who completely take credit for videos for we all know that they didn't make; that we could easily find on here by searching for the anime, song and artist.

The YouTube people are just stupid. When the user clearly says that they didn't make the video, I find comments asking how that user made the video, that they did a great job, and that they should continue to make videos. Bull. The site is full of noobs.

And then there's the whole issue of copyrights. I posted full anime episodes on there, so that my friends who have never seen the raw versions could watch. Then YouTube took them down saying that it was copyrighted footage or something like that, when I saw an episode of Naruto on there and no one cares that it's uploaded. I'm just pissed.

If it's not your video, you should never take credit for if and it you work for YouTube you shouldn't tolerate this. It's just ludicrous.


Btw, who do these emotions belong to? I thought that they were created by Gaiaonline.com ":!:"
Nevermind... they are copyrighted of phpBB.com... the emotions I mean...
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Post by Kalium » Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:56 pm

madbunny wrote:So, what you guys are saying is that if some stranger takes your video and posts is someplace without your permission it's ok as long as they say that you made it?

You guys are cool with that? If say your video becomes the symbol for Hotgaystudz.com, regardless of whether or not you know about it, so long as you get credit right? If they take your work, slap some new music on it and say that originally it came from you, but it's theirs now is that cool too?
I am. The difference between plagiarism and remixing is a thin line. That line is giving credit where it's due.

Your 'example' is the same thing we do.
madbunny wrote:Essentially what I see happening here is that somebody posted a bunch of stuff that they found, maybe here, maybe on p2p. Who knows?
Actually, if you look, it's fairly clear that in at least some of the cases in question, the user got it from here, fully aware of who made it. Some people even stuck their own credits on someone else's video.
madbunny wrote:Youtube asked them to prove that they had the rights to it. Obviously, most AMV creators are not going to have that. So, when they couldn't get them to remove it by asking nicely, they started trying to come up with ways of either forcing youtube to remove their vids, or exposing them to other entities that can do so?
When the front door is locked and you need to get in, you try the back. Or a window. Whatever works.
madbunny wrote:Am I missing something here?
Several things, actually. Item the first: calm. Item the second: perspective.

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Post by The_Enchanted_Butterfly » Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:09 pm

Kalium wrote:
madbunny wrote:So, what you guys are saying is that if some stranger takes your video and posts is someplace without your permission it's ok as long as they say that you made it?

You guys are cool with that? If say your video becomes the symbol for Hotgaystudz.com, regardless of whether or not you know about it, so long as you get credit right? If they take your work, slap some new music on it and say that originally it came from you, but it's theirs now is that cool too?
I am. The difference between plagiarism and remixing is a thin line. That line is giving credit where it's due.
It's like writing an article. As long as you cite where you found the information, then you can include it in the article, and it will not be considered plagiarism. But let's say that you included the information without citing where you found it, and/or claim that it was your idea; then that's plagiarism.

So in other words, if YouTube users post videos without saying where they got it/take full credit for it, then they are plagiarizing the amv maker's work. But as long as they cite exactly where they found the video or clearly state that they did not create it, then that's perfectly fine.
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