Time to start a new wave....

[Vlad G Pohnert]

Well, it may be a fine idea, but it all depends on why you make AMVs...

I make AMVs as a Hobby (to learn how to make them, for enjoyment, stress relief). I'll always be able to show my friends and select group of people and say on my laptop at a con... Now if that's all I want out of it, then I don't really need to restrict my choice of music.

Now if mass distribution on the internet is more important, then I don't disagree as it's probably a more safer way to go..

In the end, it's a personal choice of each creator if idea really is necessary for them or not

Vlad

[Pwolf]

Well, it may be a fine idea, but it all depends on why you make AMVs...

I make AMVs as a Hobby (to learn how to make them, for enjoyment, stress relief). I'll always be able to show my friends and select group of people and say on my laptop at a con... Now if that's all I want out of it, then I don't really need to restrict my choice of music.

Now if mass distribution on the internet is more important, then I don't disagree as it's probably a more safer way to go..

In the end, it's a personal choice of each creator if idea really is necessary for them or not

Vlad

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Pwolf

[Ratix]

I seriously doubt that anime companies would have as much of a problem with AMVs as the music labels/artists would, mainly because the anime companies have less at stake. A typical video will use the entirety of a song, unaltered. Not only do AMVs use fragments of an actual anime, but often out of continuity, out of context, and all together creating a distinctly different experience than the original work, thus deviating into fair usage, much like how remixes of music is often considered fair use.

So unless people are willing to edit and remix the audio they use as much as they edit the anime, you're never going to satisfy the music companies compared to the anime companies.

[Flint the Dwarf]

I'm not going to. I don't know many decent local bands, but I know plenty of good signed artists. I'm going to continue to make AMVs with those artists, because I like them. If the record label gets wind of the videos, I'll take 'em down and keep making 'em, and shed no tears.

[Sephzilla]

we find out who the guy was who was a stupid noob and got the Record Industry looking at The Org so we can all flame him and make him cry like a little child.

And I would like to know precisely HOW making an AMV is considered a copyright violation?

Technically speaking, with an AMV we arent directly distributing music to people in a direct mp3 format like you would see on pre-sellout Napster or Kazaa, if the person who downloads a music video wants to get the music specifically from it they would have to do it by their own recording means which is absolutely out of an AMV creators power, therefore not their fault.

You could classify an AMV as a 'work of art'. I know the common response will be "well the video/audio source" used in here isnt yours. Yeah well when an artist creates a painting, the company that made the paint or canvas doesnt ask the artist to not distribute that painting do they?

I know there was a thread long ago about the legality of AMVs, and quite frankly I think that opinion is wrong on this premise... Anime Conventions have been going on for a long time and have featured AMV contests for a long time, I dont think conventions as large as Otocon or ACen could go unnoticed with the AMV shows they put on.

[Vlad G Pohnert]

I know there was a thread long ago about the legality of AMVs, and quite frankly I think that opinion is wrong on this premise... Anime Conventions have been going on for a long time and have featured AMV contests for a long time, I dont think conventions as large as Otocon or ACen could go unnoticed with the AMV shows they put on.

That's because most of those conventions pay thelicence fee to be able to play music at the con.. All the ones you mentioned plus Sakura-Con, Anime North, Anime Expo, etc all do.... And believe me, some cons were pretty much "told" they have to at some point if they wanted to have the AMV contest at all...

Vlad

[dokool]

I know there was a thread long ago about the legality of AMVs, and quite frankly I think that opinion is wrong on this premise... Anime Conventions have been going on for a long time and have featured AMV contests for a long time, I dont think conventions as large as Otocon or ACen could go unnoticed with the AMV shows they put on.

That's because most of those conventions pay thelicence fee to be able to play music at the con.. All the ones you mentioned plus Sakura-Con, Anime North, Anime Expo, etc all do.... And believe me, some cons were pretty much "told" they have to at some point if they wanted to have the AMV contest at all...

Vlad

Don't some hotels/convention centers also buy all-inclusive licenses as well?

[Rozard]

we find out who the guy was who was a stupid noob and got the Record Industry looking at The Org so we can all flame him and make him cry like a little child.

Oh yeah, good show. That'll really teach him a lesson. You know what? It'll also make the record label retract it's C&D!! Yay!!!

And I would like to know precisely HOW making an AMV is considered a copyright violation?

SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT HAY GAIS I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

An AMV is a copyright violation because you don't have permission or license to use or adapt the legally protected content of both the anime and record companies. Essentially, we're stealing the video and audio and doing whatever we want with it WITHOUT PERMISSION. It's outside of our legal rights. Did you know that, technically, you don't even own the fucking piece of plastic that is the CD? By purchasing it, you bought a license to own it and play it for your own personal use. The record label that owns it could at any time recall it, and you'd be legally obligated to return it. Learn the law before you start spouting shit off.

[Vlad G Pohnert]

Don't some hotels/convention centers also buy all-inclusive licenses as well?

Yes, for Animethon 13, the hotel is charging us the licence fee for our Dances and AMV realted stuff... We even have to pay the free for our main site stuff as it's a different location....

Vlad

[inthesto]