A newbie's thought's on anime music videos in general

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:43 pm

I just want to congratulate arzuro for creating one of the more interesting discussions we've had for a while and bringing it to over 9 pages in a day.

When I got up this morning, it was 5 pages.

Why not put some of that debating energy into a video now?

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:51 pm

Because I suck at making videos, I have no knack for composing and thus would have trouble syncing, I don't have a very massive anime collection (I only actually store two series on my hdd), I'm not interested in making videos one bit and even though I realize that it would probably be fair to take my best shot to give something to riddicule to all the people I seem to have offended, I don't think that would be worth learning the necessary skills. Nope, when it comes to anime and amv, I'm on a consumer only policy.

But of course, if anyone is anxious to get their hands on something I made, I do maintain a small site which is mentioned in my portal, that has some old writing of me, complete with 15 year old angst and my brandmark spelling errors. You can check out the /stuff/ folder for extra embarassment.

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:51 pm

arzuro wrote:"Everybody is the best at something" is a plain lie. That's my opinion.

Who said that?

I said everyone is good at something, not best.

By my definition, even people who think they can't do anything right, are good by the fact that they can maintain that frame of mind, which I tend to fail miserably at.

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:52 pm

Jesus, profile not portal, by me not of me, do the mistakes ever stop.

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:54 pm

I guess anyone who's out to bash good old zairo can save himself a trip. Pity that name was already taken.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:54 pm

Malificus wrote:
arzuro wrote:True, but a person with no talent can not even scratch at the heights a talented person can rise to.
I disagree. Everyone has some talents, and they are usually effective in oother areas if you use them right.

I think the very definition of "talent" is based on some kind of abstract "average" that doesn't exist. Talent isn't a +/- parameter, and there isn't really a standard person we can all look to and say "this person is not talented and also not below-average in any way - so everyone who can potentially do something better than this person is talented".

The whole debate on what "talent" implies in terms of ability is interesting: is it a "floor" or a "ceiling"?
I think what your (arzuro) view is here is that talent is something that gives a person a higher potential "ceiling". In sport, this is probably very true.

In art... things are more complicated, because we can't objectively define where that "ceiling" is. So for me, it makes a lot more sense to say that a person with talent starts out with much better possibilities and can get to "higher levels" (whatever they are) much quicker, but it's not true that a person without talent can't get to the exact same place as well - just with a lot more hard work, or perhaps with better-directed hard work.

Until we establish a ceiling for the "non-talented" person, if such a thing exists, we can't really speak of someone "talented" getting above that. Nor is there any height of achievement, in AMVs or otherwise, that everyone can agree on as the universal best. Just go to the music section and see some of the discussions on "best [whatever]" - and there'll be a million answers, and not one except my own has any relevance to what I see as the "top". So perhaps it's not a "top" at all - an upsetting thought given how much effort and attention I spent and continue to spend in finding it, but one which I'll have to accept.

[phew]

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:56 pm

Well all the people who reached extreme levels of skill were always said to be not only talented but gifted, that's my observation.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:12 pm

arzuro wrote:Well all the people who reached extreme levels of skill were always said to be not only talented but gifted, that's my observation.

Exactly, your observation.

I might want to agree, but my experience proves otherwise. My favorite musician, for instance, claims to have been born without any actual talent - and knowing his stylistic and philosophical approach very closely, I'm inclined to believe that. An expert on music in my family generally confirms that view.

That's the problem with these arguments - once you run into something where people's experiences show otherwise, you end up in the "woods/firewood" situation again.

Ah well

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:17 pm

If I was an awesome musician I'd claim I had no talent too, it would make me seem so much greater. Although I wouldn't place any bids on this, it might as well be true. It's just not the thing I'm inclined to believe. Making slow progress does not necessarily correspond to lack of talent, also talents will often lie dormant until they are discovered. I tend to see trees. Forests as a whole aren't awfully interesting when it comes to building stuff and heating my appartment, but then again, if my father had been a hunter and not a carpenter, things might have turned out differently for me.

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:31 pm

semantics are fun... is the dead horse beaten yet??

lol either way people can cultivate talants and can gain talants, and someone who started out in the mud can work their way out, and people who started in the sky can easily fall.