Originality Score

[Scintilla]

Creators shouldn't be punished this way. They should be able to make videos with whatever songs they want within the boundaries of .org rules.

It's not punishment if they don't care about the score.

[Otohiko]

Creators shouldn't be punished this way. They should be able to make videos with whatever songs they want within the boundaries of .org rules.

It's not punishment if they don't care about the score.

Yea, what kind of punishment is THAT?
As I said, I think in this kind of occupation, it's best to leave the ego at home.

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And uh, meanwhile, anyone bothered to look on the profile page [for any member]?

Originality8.44

Um.... what were we whining about again?

[Otohiko]

I forgot to note that this is the "Global Average" - that is, average for ALL ops ever given to all videos.

Originality8.44

So, where's that "punishment"?

[trythil]

And to the others who say it's about ego, and not to pay your scores a lot of mind... It's not just that. If others come in and see you have low ratings, then chances are they'll pass up your video and not watch it at all. Thus you're missing a lot of potential audience. That's what I'm talking about.

I disagree; I think that's entirely about ego. A person who does this "just because they can" wouldn't really care who saw their video, I'd think.

But everyone does videos for their own reasons. Perhaps ratings are not important to some of you. But to many others, they are very important. Those are the ones I'm taking into consideration, since I am one of them, and most people I know are as well.

Then you, and everyone like you, needs to get over your numerical obsessions. In my opinion, anyway.

To not produce a video because you're afraid that Joe Q. Viewer might give you a low mark in originality according to whatever the hell scale he uses is asinine. It makes you a whore to the audience and entirely restricts original thought and exploration.

[godix]

Godix, you're going by the top-rated videos, which have to have a pretty large amount of ratings in order to even show up on that scale.

Yes, and? There's really only one video out of the 10 that I personally would give higher than an 8 in originality to amoung the bunch. Unoriginal tripe can and often does get high originality for some stupid reason. Sure, YOUR unoriginal tripe might not but that doesn't mean it's a site wide problem.

it also leaves out the videos which do NOT get many if any ratings.

Opinion Exchange. That forum is there to serve all your egotistical circle jerking needs.

And that is often because people glance, see a low rating number for Originality or see the anime/music combination is often used... and thus don't download the video.

You say this like it's a bad thing or something. Look, I've played FF games. I've seen all the cutscenes. I've seen way to many videos to them. The problem isn't the originality score here, the problem is people keep pumping out the same old same old.

If the video sucks, then rate it accordingly as a video; there's plenty of technical stats for that, and plenty of space to type in the Comments sections.

And originality. Sometimes the reason a video sucks is that people have done the exact same thing literally thousands of times before. The first time man made fire it was impressive but the 7000th man to make fire probably didn't impress all that many people with it.

[kitsunebeolnet]

Opinion Exchange. That forum is there to serve all your egotistical circle jerking needs.

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession for this condition.

And originality. Sometimes the reason a video sucks is that people have done the exact same thing literally thousands of times before. The first time man made fire it was impressive but the 7000th man to make fire probably didn't impress all that many people with it.

My Naru-85 was the first to use 1985 and at least drew decent ratings for awhile. 20 or so mediocre 1985 AMVs to come afterwards were not enough to stop Subrunker from releasing stillpreoccupied.

...harboring a grudge against the noobs who think >I< ripped off Suberunker.

[downwithpants]

Creators shouldn't be punished this way. They should be able to make videos with whatever songs they want within the boundaries of .org rules.

It's not punishment if they don't care about the score.

Yea, what kind of punishment is THAT?
As I said, I think in this kind of occupation, it's best to leave the ego at home.

Then you, and everyone like you, needs to get over your numerical obsessions. In my opinion, anyway.

i think you're all missing the main point:

And to the others who say it's about ego, and not to pay your scores a lot of mind... It's not just that. If others come in and see you have low ratings, then chances are they'll pass up your video and not watch it at all. Thus you're missing a lot of potential audience. That's what I'm talking about.

the current problem with the originality score is that, to some people, originality isn't a necessary component of how enjoyable a video is, but is a necessary component of the opinion scores, which predisposes biases on videos. although it does give prospective viewers a gauge to screen the quality of videos, it's an unnecessary constraint on video creators who want their videos to be shared widely.

i disagree with the suggestion that originality be an optional score, because it's something that can be measured in all videos. the problem is that opinions should be used for creator feedback and star ratings should be used for prospective viewer screening. imo, opinion scores shouldn't be displayed on the video information page.

[Scintilla]

It's <i>still</i> not punishment if they also don't care about how many people see their videos.

Besides, conventions are always an option.

[madbunny]

I don't see the problem with low originality scores. It is still possible to have a great video that uses a popular combination.

Look, if you are downloading videos purely on the basis of scores wouldn't you want to know that you've already seen that video? People that make videos like, for example: DragonBall to a band such as say... Linkin' park, usually tend to follow along the same lines of thought in the video. Actually some popular songs seem to get the same 'style' of editing regardless of the anime (be it Tenjho Tenge, Naruto, or DragonBall).

So, last week, Advent Children probably got some high originality scores, but now that they are legion they should start going down. Will they? Probably not because, as mentioned already, popular anime still get high scores even though they probably don't deserve it. Fan factor I guess.

Or, for people that like to leave lots of opinions, how would you feel writing an opinion on 20 videos in a row that have the same anime, and same music? I'm guessing it would get pretty old, regardless of the quality of the editing. Or heck, just watching 10-20 videos in a row with the same combo. Try it, and I think you'll come around to my way of thinking.

[godix]

the current problem with the originality score is that, to some people, originality isn't a necessary component of how enjoyable a video is, but is a necessary component of the opinion scores, which predisposes biases on videos.

Name me a catagory that isn't true on. I personally think video/audio quality are the least important scores, as long as you can basically view/hear it then you can enjoy it even if it has some flaws. Both are also the most subject to age, what was a 10 in either catagory in 2000 would now only get a 7 or 8 just because technology and tolerance of larger files have improved since.

Similarly sync isn't required and having the score there at all probably tends to direct people into making 'flash on every beat' type vids. It's perfectly possible to make an enjoyable video without really tight syncing. I find it interesting to note that 'real' music videos that you'll see a band actually produce aren't all nearly as tightly synced as the typical AMV.

How about effort? WTF does that have to do with anything? If Michelangelo could knock out the Sistine Chapel in an afternoon would that make it less of an artwork than it is with the years he spent doing it? Someone can spend a LOT of effort making pure crap, others can spend no effort in making brilliance. What does it matter? The end result is the important thing, not how much work someone had to put into it. Classical example of this is AD's Storytelling video. I consider it a brilliant piece of work and IIRC he said he spent 6 or 7 hours on it.

Review? There are plenty of videos I enjoyed that I don't want to see again. Comedies for example, there are jokes that absolutely slay me the first time I hear them, is it really so horrible that they fall flat the second time? Spleen in the Sky would be an example here, great video (in that so awful it's funny way) that is totally unwatchable the second or third time around. Why should it be punished with a low review score and influence people to not even view it that first, great, time?

Overall - I never understood this one really. Someone leaving an op has just commented on several different major aspects of the video (in theory), hopefully the creator can get the idea of what they thought of it by now.

So see, NONE of the catagories are a necessary component of a great video. Most of them are required to enter though. Why? Because they're in the video. Every video can be rated for audio/video/sync/review/etc. There isn't a single video on the org those catagories don't apply to. The only optional catagories right now are things that aren't present in every single video. So what if one of them is low, let your audience decide how important originality is to them. If the audience agrees it isn't important they'll ignore that score when looking at a vid and it won't make a damned bit of difference what the score is will it?

Wait, here's an idea, lets make the entire thing optional! If a viewer doesn't think originality/video/whatever is important he can NOT LEAVE AN OP! WOW! And if a creator thinks <insert catagory here> is unimportant they can IGNORE THE SCORE IN THE CATAGORY! DOUBLE WOW! What an amazing idea! It's so crazy that it just might work!

(incidently, yes, I caught that you are against originality being optional Madbunny. That last couple paragraphs were a general comment to everyone instead of directed at you)

BTW every person complaining about the originality score in this thread has an above 8 average recieved score. Most have above the sites average for originality. And yet they still complain about getting 'low scores'. Hey guys, just because it isn't a 10 doesn't mean it's a low score.

On a total side note: Not all catagories are given the same weight in the ratings. Overall and Review have quite a bit more influence on the final rating of the video than the others. So since the site already acknowledges that the whole is greater than the sums getting low scores in originality don't hurt nearly as much as you'd think it would.