Piracy and Theft [split]

[Kalium]

we have been stealing from musicians and anime companies

Do we really need to go over how nothing has actually been stolen?

[Dannywilson]

TITLE 17 > CHAPTER 2 > § 202

§ 202. Ownership of copyright as distinct from ownership of material object:

Ownership of a copyright, or of any of the exclusive rights under a copyright, is distinct from ownership of any material object in which the work is embodied. Transfer of ownership of any material object, including the copy or phonorecord in which the work is first fixed, does not of itself convey any rights in the copyrighted work embodied in the object; nor, in the absence of an agreement, does transfer of ownership of a copyright or of any exclusive rights under a copyright convey property rights in any material object.

TITLE 17 > CHAPTER 10 > SUBCHAPTER C > § 1003

§ 1003. Obligation to make royalty payments:

(a) Prohibition on Importation and Manufacture.— No person shall import into and distribute, or manufacture and distribute, any digital audio recording device or digital audio recording medium unless such person records the notice specified by this section and subsequently deposits the statements of account and applicable royalty payments for such device or medium specified in section 1004.
(b) Filing of Notice.— The importer or manufacturer of any digital audio recording device or digital audio recording medium, within a product category or utilizing a technology with respect to which such manufacturer or importer has not previously filed a notice under this subsection, shall file with the Register of Copyrights a notice with respect to such device or medium, in such form and content as the Register shall prescribe by regulation.
(c) Filing of Quarterly and Annual Statements of Account.—
(1) Generally.— Any importer or manufacturer that distributes any digital audio recording device or digital audio recording medium that it manufactured or imported shall file with the Register of Copyrights, in such form and content as the Register shall prescribe by regulation, such quarterly and annual statements of account with respect to such distribution as the Register shall prescribe by regulation.

TITLE 17 > CHAPTER 10 > SUBCHAPTER C > § 1006

§ 1006. Entitlement to royalty payments:

(a) Interested Copyright Parties.— The royalty payments deposited pursuant to section 1005 shall, in accordance with the procedures specified in section 1007, be distributed to any interested copyright party—
(1) whose musical work or sound recording has been—
(A) embodied in a digital musical recording or an analog musical recording lawfully made under this title that has been distributed, and
(B) distributed in the form of digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings or disseminated to the public in transmissions, during the period to which such payments pertain; and
(2) who has filed a claim under section 1007.

So, as you can see, we're using something for which someone is entitled to payment, without paying for it.

Stealing.

[Maverick-Rubik]

I agree with DannyWilson, even though I can't say I'm too pleased with it.

[Kalium]

So, as you can see, we're using something for which someone is entitled to payment, without paying for it.

Stealing.

Piracy is not theft. Theft applies to physic objects and physical objects only. Theft is when person A takes something from person B, which deprives person B of the use of the object or possession in question. Piracy does not work like that.

Get your definitions straight. Piracy =/= theft.

[Kusoyaro]

Get your definitions straight. Piracy =/= theft.

I think the whole point of the RIAA's crusade is that they do not make that distinction.

[Brad]

Piracy is not theft. Theft applies to physic objects and physical objects only. Theft is when person A takes something from person B, which deprives person B of the use of the object or possession in question. Piracy does not work like that.

Get your definitions straight. Piracy =/= theft.

So, therefore, identity theft is actually identity piracy, and isn't illegal. I see. Please tell that to the thousands of people who are victims of it every year.

Data = Information

Information = Property

Stealing Property = Theft


Either way, I second the motion for a lock.

[Zarxrax]

Piracy is not theft. Theft applies to physic objects and physical objects only. Theft is when person A takes something from person B, which deprives person B of the use of the object or possession in question. Piracy does not work like that.

Get your definitions straight. Piracy =/= theft.

So, therefore, identity theft is actually identity piracy, and isn't illegal. I see. Please tell that to the thousands of people who are victims of it every year.

Data = Information

Information = Property

Stealing Property = Theft

Well the U.S. Supreme Court said that copyright infringement is not theft. So if you got beef, take it up with them.

[x_rex30]

Yes, this is a lot like identity theft. This is not steeling private information.

[ANTDrakko]

One of us needs to get a job in the RIAA and give us the real inside scoop... then sabatoge it from the inside..

...brilliant.



~Seen

[Otohiko]

If the 'owner' asks me to remove my 'stolen' works from download, I'll say OK to that.

But the RIAA is not the creative owner, and I don't accept their authority, period.