Are we an endangered species?

[Castor Troy]

It's funny, they're starting to release CDs where you HAVE to install software in order to play it or you can't listen to it and the computer will just eject the CD if you cancel the software installation, and when you install the software it makes the tracks all fucked up if you try to rip them. The only CD I know of so far that is like this is the Backstreet Boys latest, "Never Gone". This is their idea to keep people from pirating music anymore. Of course, there's already been ways to get around it discovered. Also, I suppose they never heard of line-in or direct recording. Ha.

I honestly don't think they're ever going to weed out the abilities to pirate and share stuff. They can keep coming up with their so-called counter measures, but people will just find a way around it. I also don't think internet anonymity will ever be completey extingushed, so legalities aren't a huge worry.

Or maybe it will all happen eventually...then I guess I'll just have to do what everyone else does and...find better things to do. =/

Soon we'll be moved underground...

[Knowname]

I read an article about Big Brother putting copyright protection imbedded inside ALL CPUs for future generations and it make me fucking sick to my stomach.

I'm terrified of things like that happening. I honestly just try to ignore it as much as I can. I sign the petitions, put my name down, tell them my address, and then try to forget it as soon as possible. The powerful people in the world are doing a lot of terrible things right now and its unhealthy to dwell on it. I have way more important things to do, like get a job.

So did I, and I made a thread about it back in June... Only it wasn't this popular, I phail . I think it was Trythil or Scintilla that then digi-slapped me and said 'don't be a dork'.

[Infinity Squared]

Soon we'll be moved underground...

Reduced to the confines of Kazaa and Emule once more?

[Corran]

Soon we'll be moved underground...

Reduced to the confines of Kazaa and Emule once more?

...or live journal/amv mailing list/usenet

[Mad_Cyric]

a-m-v.org could always just move to making a DC++ hub. If you try it you'll find that DC++ has a high learning curve but it's the grand-daddy of file sharing, and the hub features would suit our purposes well. I imagine that all us tech-savy video editors could figure it out

[neutrino]

DC has a high learning curve? I don't think so, but IS less appealing to people not too familiar wit computers(for reasons which are beyond me..maybe because you have to enter your IP in the settings )

That aside, I don't think pirating can stop completely someday. It has the advantage of 'developing' considering what the 'enemy' has done...so whatever is done people can always find a workaround that wasn's predicted by publishers, developers etc; and there is no possible way to figure out possible imperfection that could be used in the future by the pirates....well there is actually - stoping internet

And all I've written so far in this post is pointless for the sole reason that I don't believe anyone would make music in AMVs a big copyright issue. They have more important things to bitch about

The underground idea is appealing in some ways though. Secret societies exchanging CDs and DVDs in dark alleys at midnight...we should start considering a password and a special handshake just in case

[downwithpants]

does the www.againsttcpa.com site or writer have any credentials or cross-references? of the sources i see, two are from unaccredited sites and two are in german (i can't read). i'm not going to draw conclusions from an unaccredited, un-cross-referenced website that takes one side of the issue.

[FurryCurry]

If things get to the point that I can't rip a song or a DVD to make videos, I'll simply stop.

If AMV makers become a target for copyright holders, I'll immediately comply with any Cease and Desist I recieve, and depending on the situation, possibly remove any videos I'm hosting proactively and stop making them.

If I can't download fansubs or AMVs without being genuinely afraid of being jailed or fined, I'll stop.

Of course, all these things would lead to a drastic reduction in the the amount of content (and possibly computer and entertainment hardware) that I buy, probably causing more loss to companies I buy from than what would be saved from "piracy", but that's the breaks.

With any hobby or recreational activity, things can get to the point that it simply isn't worth the risk or trouble to continue doing it, and making music videos is certainly no exception.

I wouldn't worry that much about some of the hardware companies like AMD being members of that group. Chances are they realize this sort of legislation carries the threat of a chilling effect on new hardware sales, but they are afraid of being shut out of the market by prohibitive licensing fees if they aren't part of the consortium. Who the hell would want to buy that crap? I know if a law like that were passed, I'd rush right out to buy enough unsecured hardware to build two or three computers, which would hopefully last long enough for an outraged public to demand the repeal of any such law.

There are also barriers to extreme implementation of such a law in the persons of some lawmakers who would be concerned with the chilling effect on innovation caused by high software/hardware certification fees, or possibly the US Supreme Court finding a problem with free speech violations.
(please don't spout any stupid shit about Bush packing the SCOTUS with bible thumpers, remember it was mostly the so called liberals on the court who decided it was ok for your local government to take your house from you to sell to a developer to build a strip mall or resort.)

[devilmaykickass]

If things get to the point that I can't rip a song or a DVD to make videos, I'll simply stop.

If AMV makers become a target for copyright holders, I'll immediately comply with any Cease and Desist I recieve, and depending on the situation, possibly remove any videos I'm hosting proactively and stop making them.

If I can't download fansubs or AMVs without being genuinely afraid of being jailed or fined, I'll stop.

Of course, all these things would lead to a drastic reduction in the the amount of content (and possibly computer and entertainment hardware) that I buy, probably causing more loss to companies I buy from than what would be saved from "piracy", but that's the breaks.

With any hobby or recreational activity, things can get to the point that it simply isn't worth the risk or trouble to continue doing it, and making music videos is certainly no exception.

I wouldn't worry that much about some of the hardware companies like AMD being members of that group. Chances are they realize this sort of legislation carries the threat of a chilling effect on new hardware sales, but they are afraid of being shut out of the market by prohibitive licensing fees if they aren't part of the consortium. Who the hell would want to buy that crap? I know if a law like that were passed, I'd rush right out to buy enough unsecured hardware to build two or three computers, which would hopefully last long enough for an outraged public to demand the repeal of any such law.

There are also barriers to extreme implementation of such a law in the persons of some lawmakers who would be concerned with the chilling effect on innovation caused by high software/hardware certification fees, or possibly the US Supreme Court finding a problem with free speech violations.
(please don't spout any stupid shit about Bush packing the SCOTUS with bible thumpers, remember it was mostly the so called liberals on the court who decided it was ok for your local government to take your house from you to sell to a developer to build a strip mall or resort.)

You, my edjucated sir, win the internet.

[BasharOfTheAges]

I honestly think this is kind of unlikly. but this goes far beyond AMV's, TCPA would essensially destroy computing as we know it. Not only would there be no more CD or DVD ripping, there would be no DVD2AVI, no Virtualdub, no freeware at all. Programing would be pointless without gobs of money to certify it.

So they expect to fix piracy by destroying all computer-science related coursework in this nation's colleges and universities? That would end up completely destroying the technological advantage we have and put us at further risk of being taken over by countries like China.