The "Good" AMVs on this website

[Zero1]

I hereby declare this thread: awesome

[inthesto]

If I weren't lazy, I'd actually read through this thread and shatter the flimsy logic coming from some of the posters.

Instead, I'll just ask why some people are so god damn bothered by the sharing of (what are in their opinion) mediocre videos.

That, and I like my new avatar.

[trythil]

gosh I hope not... I hope nobody has to resort to file-sharing any more, I enjoy many videos from the offending few and you, I just want to understand how somebody could be so SELFISH and uninterested in comments toward how they can improve.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'd rather be honest than dishonest.

I do this hobby because it's fun. I make AMVs when I enjoy it, and I stop when it wears me out, frustrates me, or bores me. Then I'll probably pick it up again and keep going.

The logical extension of that is that I should accept what criticism I want.

[trythil]

Sorry to disappoint, but I'd rather be honest than dishonest.

I do this hobby because it's fun. I make AMVs when I enjoy it, and I stop when it wears me out, frustrates me, or bores me. Then I'll probably pick it up again and keep going.

The logical extension of that is that I should accept what criticism I want.

I apologize for the word flub-up in the last sentence. I meant to write "I should care about what criticism I want to care about".

[Knowname]

I do NOT take anime I like and try and put it to my favorite music. That NEVER works! People may enjoy doing it, but it makes for a video that only the person who MADE it can love, or at least that person and a few others.

Totally agree! In fact I both hate akira and the song I used, castle on the cloud. I think it's a very mediocre song that's fun to listen to once but not good unless put with a video (much like many OST songs... imo, not many can really stand alone and wouldn't get a second glance if not for the moment). But putting the two together is one of the best things I'd ever done. It felt like I was watching Les Mis in the theatre except animated (to nameless anime... whatever).

OK if I hated it I wouldn't be able to do it, I just dislike them. (and even more now, seperateley ;p)

And again we get to: ORIGINALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IF THE COMPONENTS OR IDEA ARE USED OR NOT!! How could it?? Do you keep track of every obscure, unreleased amv or even unfinished projects??

No, it all depends on the Idea and how well it's conveyed.

[Pwolf]

first of off i totaly agree with this guy: OtakuMan22. the "GOOD" AMV makers should help the noobs .this way better AMVs will rise from both noobs and "GOOD" AMV makers , due to better competition .

the problem with said "GOOD" amv editors helping newbs is that there is a reason why they are good. they take the time and effort to learn about editing and video (compression, ripping, preperation, etc.). i can't count how many times i've been contacted or read threads here on the org about newbs wanting help but arn't willing to learn anything themselves. the "good" editors don't have time to edit a video for you. there is a difference between (1)asking how to rip a dvd and (2)using the program and asking whats not working when DVD2AVI is giving an odd error.

(1) = typical newb who would rather not read the guides which has all the realivent information and step by step instructions of how to do the most common tasks.

(2) = possible future "good" editor or even a current "good" editor who doesn't understand or know how to fix a problem.

but then again, what makes a "good" edtor, "good"? the video quality of their footage? nah... its the editing... and that can't be taught. you can show someone how to make a cut and manipulate a scene. but it's the editors own expereinces editing which makes them "good".

as for this "good" music or "bad" music arguement... who's right is it to say somenes tast in music is bad? it's all opinion. someone can say linkin park is the worst band ever, but i still like them and enjoy most of their music. does that mean i'll make a video to it? well i already have. becuase the song is overdone, does it make the video bad? fuck no. its one of my favorite videos. but do you have to like it? i could care less if you liked it. i like it, and thats what matters to me.

i'm completely behind trythil in everything he's said. those who visit this site are "users" and are expected to be as such. you/we have no say in what or how this site is run. we can suggest things, but it's ultimatly up to phade. if you want to start the revolution, stop uploading <i>your</i> bad videos... or even better, stop downloading the "bad" ones! no one will care either way.


Pwolf

[Pwolf]

I do NOT take anime I like and try and put it to my favorite music. That NEVER works! People may enjoy doing it, but it makes for a video that only the person who MADE it can love, or at least that person and a few others.

i take my favorite anime and music and put them together... why is that bad? i also enjoy what i make. does that mean no one else will like it either... shit, should've told me that earlier

why does that video have to only be loved by the one who made it? who says some guy in another state/country wont like the video either? the editor wont know that unless it's posted publicly.

How do you think all the good editors became "good"? we opened a magic box and the fairy dust turned us into these editing machines? we showed people our videos and were able to take the critism. you can only get so much constructive critism from your friends.

on the other hand, if you can't take the critism, maybe you shouldn't upload your video. but thats the editors problem.

Hey, nobody's yelling at me anymore.

Oh man... I miss the attention

you've been overshadowed by a moron... oops

Pwolf

[Knowname]

as for this "good" music or "bad" music arguement... who's right is it to say somenes tast in music is bad? it's all opinion. someone can say linkin park is the worst band ever, but i still like them and enjoy most of their music. does that mean i'll make a video to it? well i already have. becuase the song is overdone, does it make the video bad? fuck no. its one of my favorite videos. but do you have to like it? i could care less if you liked it. i like it, and thats what matters to me.

nononono! Why does everyone think of this as good or bad? I'm not looking for what I'd call just good music or anything! I keep to the facts. I'm talking about the fact that most of what is available is from some obscure band from the boondocks! Not that I hate obscure bands. I'd just appreciate some videos to popular bands that I can relate with every so often. It bugs me that most likeley if I for some reason want a Linkin Park or even Metallica, Guns 'N' Roses or QUEEN video most likeley I will get a crap one NOT because Linkin Park songs stink but because 'good' creators tend to ignore their songs ALL TOGETHER! I would KILL to see another Romantic 'Crawling' video by Linkin Park.

[Kalium]

OK, I was trying to avoid this, but there are a few points I need to address.

If I want to try and find a video that has a specific song, or anime, or specific genre of vid, then when I do the search, I come across a flood of REALLY bad videos. Since there are no opinions attached to them, I take my curiosity in, watch the vid...

...and get sorely dissapointed. At that point, I'll probably leave a comment/opinion and move on to continue my search for a good video. I find another link, no opinions (unannounced most likely), and go in to check it out.

That's the risk you take in doing something new. Like, say, watching a video you've never seen before. Most of us just accept this as the price of going going digging for treasure, and happily pay when we come across a bit of buried treasure.

...but what if it's not just you? What if ALL the fanboys and fangirls did this! Then not only would the space in the org fill up, but there would also be a wide number of more bad videos to sift through.

You don't seem to understand: that, ultimately, is the Org's goal (well, part of the goal). To have every AMV ever made availible here.

If you only really want your video to be seen by 2 or 3 people, what is the best way going about doing it? Using a file sharing program, or even the file transfer setup of AIM and Yahoo Messenger, or posting to the org without making an announcement?

You send them a CD. You use FTP, IM programs, or something else. A p2p program is overkill, and your chances of finding the exact file in question are slimmer.

And what's more of an honor than an award for your vid. You are right that awards are not the largest motivation for vid creation, but it is a good motivator for GOOD vid creation!

Depends who you ask. I wouldn't consider awards a motivation, myself. Kudos, certainly, but not a motivation. I don't need any rewards, awards, or honors. I do this because I want to, and that's all the motivation I need. The satisfaction of knowing I produced something I can be proud of is all the reward I need. Anything beyond that is gravy.

Hey, even some Rush and songs by Styx OTHER than Mr. Robotto! (Why has no one used "Blue Collar Man" before?!)

Been there, done that. Twice. It's not as exciting as you might think.

first of off i totaly agree with this guy: OtakuMan22. the "GOOD" AMV makers should help the noobs .this way better AMVs will rise from both noobs and "GOOD" AMV makers , due to better competition .

OK, a few things. First off, we do try and help the less experienced (leave me putting myself in the "GOOD" camp aside for the moment). We try and offer what assistance we can, which is mostly technical and theoretical. If someone doesn't have the needed idea, they aren't going to get it from someone else (although someone else may spark an idea). On the other hand, those with experience and skill didn't have it handed to them on a silver platter, and neither will you. There's only one way to acquire experience, and some things can only be learned through experience. For that matter, some things can't be learned. There is such a thing as innate talent.

Second, AMVs come from both experienced and inexperienced creators regardless of other factors. If you had to have experience to edit, we'd have a nasty paradox on our hands (of the chicken/egg sort).

Third, you seem to be functioning from some sort of twisted Darwinian viewpoint here. There are a few highly competitive editors around, but not all of us are that way. Competition doesn't drive this community, not in the conventional sense of competition between discrete agents. Self-competition is a much larger driving force, but that only requires one person.

How do you think all the good editors became "good"? we opened a magic box and the fairy dust turned us into these editing machines?

I don't know about you, but I had this really strange dream involving some rather fantastic and magical creatures... erm, yeah.

On the larger issues here, I stand solidly with Pwolf and trythil.

[Kai Stromler]

How do you think all the good editors became "good"? we opened a magic box and the fairy dust turned us into these editing machines?

I don't know about you, but I had this really strange dream involving some rather fantastic and magical creatures... erm, yeah.

I opened the magic brown bottle with the deer on it in the bottom of my fridge and had a kind of combination of these two effects.

And it's late, and it's the weekend, and there is too much drama in here, so I'm off to see if I can duplicate the effect.

--K