how long is too long

bum · Post by **bum** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:57 am

For someone who hasnt made a single amv yet, stick with something under 4 minutes. No offence, but as your new to amv'ing you dont have a hope of geting someone to even watch a vid of yours that streches for 12 minutes.

Digitalex · Post by **Digitalex** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:41 am

cortinator wrote:lol i kind of feel bad for all the trouble ive started

thanks for the help im going to put my vid up somtime this week like i said my vid is going to be 10-12 min long but for my next proj it will prob be 5-7 min long

thanks again for the help

I see what you're saying when using a trance song. It takes time to climax but when it does, it's pretty awesome. I personally think only fans of that genre would be able to truly appreciate the musical side of (me being one of them) though. Others that can't connect would get bored unless the editing was top notch and changed things up like dokool stated.

I've been listening to trance mixes lately while driving and can see making AMVs to them but it would also last at least 8-10 minutes for many of the ones I would choose. As a viewer, my attention rarely reaches pasts the 5 minute mark.

One of the best (hard) trance AMVs I have seen was the DBZ Doomrider project and it kept my attention because I love the song Sandstorm and am a fan of DBZ (go ahead and flame

). Even then, it tested the limits of my attention.

If you can manage to tell a story while changing style throughout the song, you might be able to get away with it but as a first AMV, I think it would be really challenging. Good luck in any case.

[Mike of the Desert] · Post by **[Mike of the Desert]** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:44 am

A 10-12 minutes long video MUST be entertaining as an episode. And IMO must NOT be any rock or fast music. For do not destroy a human brain a video like that must be with some trance (yoga?) Music, within a really smart editing.. To not be boring.. There's the must of a storyline.

Digitalex · Post by **Digitalex** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:20 pm

Michele wrote:A 10-12 minutes long video MUST be entertaining as an episode. And IMO must NOT be any rock or fast music. For do not destroy a human brain a video like that must be with some trance (yoga?) Music, within a really smart editing.. To not be boring.. There's the must of a storyline.

I disagree with definitively excluding rock or fast music. However, I think I know why you say that though. Rock songs can usually tell a story within a short time frame. There are only so many words that can be used to tell the story. Fast songs in general that do not change tempos or melodies can become repetitive too quickly. Trance can certainly fall under that trap as well but it generally embodies soundscaping elements of New Age/Instrumental music with quicker beats used in techno (at least from the trance music that I like to listen to).

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:25 pm

I have never heard of music that can be so uplifting, and only feel as if it only gets better as it progresses, that is until around 1998 when I started to listen to trance. Things can get innovative here just like it did in music. Was it necessary for people to try to take music up a level when it was fine as it is? I don't see why you have to question it, and trying to tell someone it's not going to work DOESN'T mean it's not going to work. In the history of ideas there have been things that were considered as bad ideas that turned out to be good ideas, and good ideas that turned out to be horrible ideas. You got to keep an open mind and not jump to conclusions, and experiment a bit with different ideas and sometimes you never know, it just may end up turning into a good idea. Just look at all the new and great innovative music that has been coming out in the last few years. I see amvs nowadays that are nothing like what you would see a year ago, it's just mind blowing some of them.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:57 pm

Also about tightening your concept, I don't see the point your trying to make. If a song with a GREAT concept be over 8 minutes long I don't see how you could even think to say you should just compress a video as much as possible. F that! Man who ever thought a story could last over 140 episodes and not die out. Well it has, and it's only has happened in the last year. If you could give me any other examples I will be surprised. Like they say quality over quantity, but I prefer Great Quality and huge Quantity!

dokool · Post by **dokool** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:04 pm

x_rex30 wrote:Also about tightening your concept, I don't see the point your trying to make. If a song with a GREAT concept be over 8 minutes long I don't see how you could even think to say you should just compress a video as much as possible. F that! Man who ever thought a story could last over 140 episodes and not die out. Well it has, and it's only has happened in the last year. If you could give me any other examples I will be surprised. Like they say quality over quantity, but I prefer Great Quality and huge Quantity!

Music != video. What works with one does not necessarily work with the other, this is a fact of life.

As far as your other evidence, Naruto didn't get to 140+ episodes with a metric assload of filler and recap. You could easily compress everything so far down to <100 episodes.

Do you even know what you're arguing for/against at this point?

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:05 pm

100 episodes is still a lot

dokool · Post by **dokool** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:06 pm

x_rex30 wrote:100 episodes is still a lot

Soap operas do 260+ episodes/year, doesn't mean that it's quality.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:20 pm

And yes, you just find the need to play some sort of counter game with me. This is a serious discussion for me so I want to discuss my point of view of the matter, not facts. Those who act like there just spewing out facts, and not opinions just have there head up there ass.

I see a lot of potential in music videos since they give off the same emotions that the music does, and sometimes adding or taking away from it. So I put them in the same category for that reason, and that's why I'm mixing my analogies with them. Ever seen Naruto's Technique Beat? I've seen that video over ten times, and each time it gave me that chill/tingling feeling you get when you are really getting into something. Without the video, the audio wouldn't be able to do that to me. Now knowing that video can add to the over all feeling of a song, I feel those songs that give me that same exact feeling that are over 8 minutes long could give me even more enjoyment, as long as it's executed well.