Does Remastering/Remaking an older amv affect originality?

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Post by Maverick-Rubik » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:05 pm

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SuperFusion wrote:Depends on how many vids I saw using the same song, theme, and how well you executed it :o
Did you even bother to read the first post?
Yeah, I did. And I responded to his question as I would've saw fit to rate his video.
And I tend to agree with SuperFusion...

Originality means coming up with the concept first- which he did. To put it crudely, it means not ripping anyone else off... which he wouldn't have done if he originally (!) made it.

Making the same thing again won't make it an unoriginal creation as long as it was original to begin with. So it depends on how many vids I saw to the same song, if the theme has been done before, and how well it was executed. :wink:

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Post by Knowname » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:36 pm

Maverick-Rubik wrote:
SuperFusion wrote:
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SuperFusion wrote:Depends on how many vids I saw using the same song, theme, and how well you executed it :o
Did you even bother to read the first post?
Yeah, I did. And I responded to his question as I would've saw fit to rate his video.
And I tend to agree with SuperFusion...

Originality means coming up with the concept first- which he did. To put it crudely, it means not ripping anyone else off... which he wouldn't have done if he originally (!) made it.

Making the same thing again won't make it an unoriginal creation as long as it was original to begin with. So it depends on how many vids I saw to the same song, if the theme has been done before, and how well it was executed. :wink:
so it just depends on you? why have that score in the first place?? What if you had made a video like that before just without releaseing it? is the released video not original cuz of coarse youd be mad.... by your theory your video couldn't then be original either! Let's say your high as a kite that day and don't get mad and think 'well I liked the idea b4, still do, it is original' then is your video NOT original? But it is original only you had this video for ages (say it just wasn't catalogued on a-m-v.org b4hand maybe only on anime.de or whatever) and it IS the original but you have no proof. That method is very fallable and doesn't make alot of logical sence.

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Post by Knowname » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:51 pm

I mean (and rereading your post, maybe you agree with my other points just not this one) two ppl can make the same anime/ song combination, which ever one does it better, the more beleivable one would seem like the winner too me. I mean, sure, somebody did a blah fun video with popups to KareKano before whoever did Excel Popup. The idea was taken, but many enjoy the later more as Excel Popup is funny ie more effective. a similar deal with AMV Hell, somebody did a corny Fruits Basket amv to different characters using clips of songs, I consider AMV Hell better as it seems to be implamented better. I think the name of originality should just be changed.

Hmm... one more example... ever seen underwear worn over your pants? That'd be original cuz it's never DONE! Most wouldn't say 'Wow! How original!' to that guy, most would just call him a geek... Now why would you have high originality points... yet low everything else (sense of style ;p), what USE is that score?? That's what I mean, the name 'originality' may be too confuseing, it doesn't mean ORIGINALity, but effectiveness like you said.

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Post by Unlimited Rice » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:59 pm

i thought this topic was about the issue about change in originality between the two SAME videos.. :?

say you make a video and it gets a 7 for originality, and you remaster/remake it.. shouldn't it still be the same? not lower b/c later on.. there are thousands more of the same combination?

this question isn't about comparing the remaster to every other video by other people with the same combination

somewhere in this discussion, it just became a slightly different topic.. :?

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Post by Scintilla » Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:04 pm

Knowname wrote:Hmm... one more example... ever seen underwear worn over your pants? That'd be original cuz it's never DONE! Most wouldn't say 'Wow! How original!' to that guy, most would just call him a geek... Now why would you have high originality points... yet low everything else (sense of style ;p), what USE is that score?? That's what I mean, the name 'originality' may be too confuseing, it doesn't mean ORIGINALity, but effectiveness like you said.
Um, no.

Originality is just what it looks like.
Effectiveness is supposed to go under the Overall score, not Originality.

If you've been considering a video's effectiveness when giving it an Originality score, then you've been doing it wrong.

Consider trythil's <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... >"siɳk"</a>, for example. High originality score, sucky overall score.
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Post by SuperFusion » Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:36 pm

TheUnlimited wrote:i thought this topic was about the issue about change in originality between the two SAME videos.. :?

later on.. there are thousands more of the same combination?
Exactly. By the time he remakes the video, I could've seen thousands more of the same anime/song combo with the same theme. The originality score is going down regardless whether if it's the same exact video with a few touch-ups. But, hey. That's just the way I rate a video. =|

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Post by godix » Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:37 pm

My answer - Perhaps. Depends on how much remastering was done. If it's just cleaning up footage, better audio quality, and other minor things like that then I'd rate it the same. However if the remaster was a chance for someone to insert things shamelessly copied from other videos then I'd lower it, EG if someone remaster a video to include Euphoria like effects that weren't originally there.

The general orgs answer - there are many videos that are little more than Naruto or DBZ fight scenes set to a fast rock song that recieve 10's for originality. I stongly suspect your originality score wouldn't suffer nor would it be a true representation of originality so what does it really matter?
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Post by Zero1 » Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:18 pm

To me originality is the execution of an idea, usually a unique one, or one that uses something in an innovative way. It's all about doing or trying something that hasn't been done before.

A frame accurate remaster shouldnt detract from the originality, but should add to the effort for taking the time to create a frame accurate remaster.

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Post by Unlimited Rice » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:05 am

SuperFusion wrote:Exactly. By the time he remakes the video, I could've seen thousands more of the same anime/song combo with the same theme. The originality score is going down regardless whether if it's the same exact video with a few touch-ups. But, hey. That's just the way I rate a video. =|
you misunderstood what my post was.. and still fail to realize that remastering AND this whole originality(to dumb it down, I mean.. remastering and originality TOGETHER.. not originality by itself disregarding the remastering part) thing DOES NOT concern other videos.. why give the two of the SAME(almost 100%) exact videos different originality scores..

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Post by Knowname » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:20 pm

Scintilla wrote:
Knowname wrote:Hmm... one more example... ever seen underwear worn over your pants? That'd be original cuz it's never DONE! Most wouldn't say 'Wow! How original!' to that guy, most would just call him a geek... Now why would you have high originality points... yet low everything else (sense of style ;p), what USE is that score?? That's what I mean, the name 'originality' may be too confuseing, it doesn't mean ORIGINALity, but effectiveness like you said.
Um, no.

Originality is just what it looks like.
Effectiveness is supposed to go under the Overall score, not Originality.

If you've been considering a video's effectiveness when giving it an Originality score, then you've been doing it wrong.

Consider trythil's <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... >"siɳk"</a>, for example. High originality score, sucky overall score.
HEY! I remember downloading that video now! First AMV I EVER downloaded yet I wouldn't give it the time of day. But it bodes the question, why give something high originality that you hate?? I'da given that a low originality score definiteley. Just cuz somebodys got balls (or a weird sense of style) you don't go praising the geek with the underwear over his pants.

Another example. Say Shaq wants to show Dwayne Wayde who's boss by out scoreing him all the time. What would Shaq have to do?? He'd have to become a shooter. Shaq is not a shooter. How pissed would everybody be if Shaq put up brick after brick at the 3 point line?? That would get him closer to where he wants to be but ppl would hate him. It's a very unconventional approach but is it original? How bout, where would Karl Malone be if all John Stockton wanted to do was prove his worth? It wouldn't help any cuz he'd just show that he is half the shooter Malone is. It's just easiest to put this in terms of basketball, but when put in terms of anime (where everybody can just do EVERYTHING) we have to look harder. So hard. .... Only the Shinji type charachter in anime seems to have a glaring weekness at some time yet they ALWAYS get over it so... Anyway what you have to do is take the ORIGINAL in ORIGINALity in a different perspective. From the objective to the subjective view, you don't become original by going for the soccer goal every time you come up to bat! You have to PASS, it's not original if you do it the same way anybody else could every single time. So yes, ORIGINALITY does mean ORIGINAL, but it would be incredibly one sided to judge it that way. If you want a counter example (and WHY I am so gung ho about the issue), try my own video here. I'm not gonna get into a your word vs. my word arguement but just tell me how original you think that is.... Why?? it's not a freeking repeated series of a dozen still pictures like the other one, it's been done before but WHAT CAN MAKE IT ORIGINAL????

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