Multi-source AMVs [SPLIT]

[Kionon]

[paizuri: Original thread is here.]

Video's are subjective Kionon, and I liked this one. I was about 1:30 into it when I realize I was smiling.

Oh, most certainlysubjective. For the record, I liked this one too. I stated why I didn't love it.

And I criticise the difficulties in execution, not the creators themselves. I have seen few multi-source drama videos where I have felt the use of multiple anime was warranted by song or theme alone. In fact, I can't name one at this point. My take on drama videos is that story coherency is a must. That is subjctive, but so is the term "decent." Very rarely can a creator, in my opinion, do enough with source material and song alone to make a coherent, dramatic story out of more than one anime. And the situation just becomes worse at attmpts to bring in effects, original animation content, etc. Usually the results are disasterously comical. In very rare exceptions with certain successful crossover AMVs, this works. Best example I can think of is Tainted Donuts. Funny? Yes, to a degree, but mainly it is a coherent storyline, and that's what makes it good. I think, off hand, that Vlad has made a few serious cross over vids, and they are technically masterful.

Basically, don't do it Anakin, I have the high ground.

[dwchang]

I have seen few multi-source drama videos where I have felt the use of multiple anime was warranted by song or theme alone. In fact, I can't name one at this point. My take on drama videos is that story coherency is a must. That is subjctive, but so is the term "decent." Very rarely can a creator, in my opinion, do enough with source material and song alone to make a coherent, dramatic story out of more than one anime.

Yeah, Multi-source drama videos never work.

[Kionon]

You clearly weren't reading. I acknowledged Vlad's by name, and I acknowledged the existence of others. I just said they were few. I never said never.

[dwchang]

You clearly weren't reading. I acknowledged Vlad's by name, and I acknowledged the existence of others. I just said they were few. I never said never.

No, I see the line where you mention Vlad's crossover vids, but chose to omit it to make a point. I feel you're being stubborn and more or less telling people why you're right and why they're wrong and it's coming across (to me) as pretty pointless.

Videos are subjective and if people like this one, let them. Why don't you stop arguing with people about your own views in someone else's video announcement thread? People have sufficiently argued against you and stated their views, so what's the point beyond that? You're gonna tell them why their tastes are wrong?

[trythil]

People have sufficiently argued against you and stated their views, so what's the point beyond that?

Rebuke those views. This isn't a solipsist's world.

If rebuttal clarifies his views, I say let him keep going for it. It can be valuable to everyone involved.

[dwchang]

People have sufficiently argued against you and stated their views, so what's the point beyond that?

Rebuke those views. This isn't a solipsist's world.

If rebuttal clarifies his views, I say let him keep going for it. It can be valuable to everyone involved.

It isn't though. No one has agreed with him yet.

[dwchang]

People have sufficiently argued against you and stated their views, so what's the point beyond that?

Rebuke those views. This isn't a solipsist's world.

If rebuttal clarifies his views, I say let him keep going for it. It can be valuable to everyone involved.

It isn't though. No one has agreed with him yet.

Actually let me take that back since some people say similar things and I hadn't read them (i.e. JCD and WarHeart)

[trythil]

It isn't though. No one has agreed with him yet.

So? Since when did an opinion on the merit of multi-source fan-made anime music videos need more than a single representative to be valid?

(For the record -- there are similar opinions out there. I'll get them to post here, if you require evidence.)

This could have been stopped if nobody attacked him for his view, or at least kept a civil debate. Instead, people are dragging it out as if negatively criticizing a creator's work in an announcement was the Eighth Cardinal Sin.

Oh well.

[Kionon]

No, I see the line where you mention Vlad's crossover vids, but chose to omit it to make a point. I feel you're being stubborn and more or less telling people why you're right and why they're wrong and it's coming across (to me) as pretty pointless.

Videos are subjective and if people like this one, let them. Why don't you stop arguing with people about your own views in someone else's video announcement thread? People have sufficiently argued against you and stated their views, so what's the point beyond that? You're gonna tell them why their tastes are wrong?

I'm going to answer this calmly, because it is obvious that you have taken me out of context. First off, you "omitted" to make a point. Isn't that an incorrect debate strategy? If you make a point by omitting something, you invalidate your own claim.

You can feel how you want about me. That's your right, and I can't stop you. I wasn't taking this personally, nor was I being personally hostile to anyone else. Not the original creator, not Moonlight Soldier who I speak to regularly elswhere, and certainly not to godix (our comments were an orchestrated joke). You seem to be the only one upset. As for pointlessness, that can be said about a lot of things. I tend to disagree.

There were aspects of this video I felt were symptomatic of the AMV community. I wanted to address that in contect, in relation the video created, and do with other creators in an appropriate venue. I feel I did this. Furthermore, I liked the video, and stated so quite clearly. I am not going to tell anyone their tastes are right or wrong. I am going to ask me fellows what editing choices are and are not effective and why not. That, too, ultimately comes down to preference, but it is something that can be discussed, and sometimes standards can be agreed to.

But, nevermind, silly me for thinking an intellectual discussion about amv making, especially in regards to the specific video announced, would go unpunished.

[dwchang]

It isn't though. No one has agreed with him yet.

So? Since when did an opinion on the merit of multi-source fan-made anime music videos need more than a single representative to be valid?

(For the record -- there are similar opinions out there. I'll get them to post here, if you require evidence.)

This could have been stopped if nobody attacked him for his view, or at least kept a civil debate. Instead, people are dragging it out as if negatively criticizing a creator's work in an announcement was the Eighth Cardinal Sin.

Oh well.

Nah I believe they exist since a number of folks have said similar things in the past. At the same time, my main beef is that it's been continuing within someone else's announcement thread? Is that really necessary? Shouldn't we keep on topic with the video itself and if possible, remain positive?

Now I will admit that people, to some degree, attacked his points near the first page and hence response, but it takes two to tango no?

Regardless let's try to get back on topic with the video itself and for contributing my own arguments, I apologize.

...if anything, perhaps a thread in General AMV would be better where we could dicuss the merits or disadvantages of multi-sourced drama AMVs? Personally I think that would be a much better way to debate such things without derailing Sierra_Lorna's video announcement and having things become so incensed.