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Question for you all...[contest awards]

Post by TheShadow99 » Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:14 pm

Well I'm going to start by saying I'm a fan of AMV's and have been for quite some time... I also do A/V editing work so at some point I might even get around to creating a video myself.... But that has nothign to do with this post... ;)

See I've been helping a first year Con (which will actually take place for the first time next year) get started and somehow I've managed to become head of the Video department... Well at the moment they want me to create some semblence of a budget for the department and while I can handle the technical costs since everyone agreed to do a AMV competition I need to think ahead and come up with the cost of prizes.

This is where you guys come in, what normally is the prize for winning a category of an AMV event? & What categories (both judged and fan picked) are standard (So I know how many awards I should budget for)? I used a-m-v.org's VCA list for some intial categories, but those would all basically be judged...

So any help would be appreciated!

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Post by Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:06 pm

There are a lot of considerations to think about. It all depends on the support level you have and the overall budget of the event. I myself run two contests and each have thier own unique requirements. In term of costs, it can be anywhere in the hundreds to thousands all depending on prizes and what equipment is considered to not be covered.

I would say considerations would include:

- FTP Site (very usefull for smaller events that not everyone would mail to)
- Prizes (could just be certiticates, donations, trophies all the way up to a
plasma TV like in one contest).
- Winner structure (by audiance Ballot or panel of Judges)
- Technical expertise and equipment to deal with all the issues that come
with al the acceptable codec issues, etc
- Place and capacity of the where the contest will be presented (time
restrictions, screen size, audio equipment, total seating cap, etc)
- The total amount of time you will nedd to spend on asemblting and
running of the contest (To do a good job, put a lot of time aside).
- Able to deal with the AMV community (both for keeping in touch and
dealing with rule issues.

There are a lot of other consideration, but my lunch break is over so that all I can suggest for now

Vlad

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Post by TheShadow99 » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:20 pm

Well so far I think I have the technical end covered...

My biggest concern right now is:

1. What do people expect as far as prizes? and
2. What categories are basically standards?

Since I've never been able to attend a convention before and those helping who have aren't big AMV fans (or so far no one else has said so), those are things I just can't answer... Formats, FTP vs mail, room details, A/V gear, and such I cna handle. Even rules (down the line since it's not for another month or so I'd need even a first draft of the rules) I think I can deal with (since I can look at other Cons rules for them and base my on similiar lines). I just don't find much detail on Prizes and categories... Or even details like how fan judging is run (though I've been assuming doing mostly non-fan judging except for a sort of 'fan favorite' category).... Those are my big issues right now...

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Post by dokool » Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:14 pm

TheShadow99 wrote:Well so far I think I have the technical end covered...

My biggest concern right now is:

1. What do people expect as far as prizes? and
2. What categories are basically standards?

Since I've never been able to attend a convention before and those helping who have aren't big AMV fans (or so far no one else has said so), those are things I just can't answer... Formats, FTP vs mail, room details, A/V gear, and such I cna handle. Even rules (down the line since it's not for another month or so I'd need even a first draft of the rules) I think I can deal with (since I can look at other Cons rules for them and base my on similiar lines). I just don't find much detail on Prizes and categories... Or even details like how fan judging is run (though I've been assuming doing mostly non-fan judging except for a sort of 'fan favorite' category).... Those are my big issues right now...
You may want to consider checking out other con websites and seeing what they have, as well as email other contest coordinators.

Here's the general standard, though:

Categories - Action, Drama, Romance, Comedy are the Big Four for categories, as well as a Best In Show. Some cons will also have Upbeat or Trailer, but not too many.


In terms of judging, it usually happens either one of two ways:

1. Fan Balloting - The fans get ballots in their registration bag when they register for the con. The ballot has the AMVs listed by category with all complete info. Staffers with boxes collect the ballots at the end of the AMV Contest screenings (usually one on Friday night and one on Saturday morning), and there's a box at Con Ops that people can deliver to by some deadline on Saturday afternoon. From then, the Coordinator has to add up all the ballots.

2. Judged Awards - Some cons have judges choose the Best Category awards, some cons have seperate awards that are decided by judges. This can be stuff like Judge's Choice, awards for creativity or editing, Best Concept, stuff like that.

3. In rarer cases (for more established events like AX or AWA Pro), the editors actually have a voice in the process, nominating one of their own for an award.


Lots of cons also have a combination of #1 and #2. In both cases, the winners are usually announced during the Masquerade intermission while the judges are deciding their prizes for that.

As far as prizes, it depends - Some cons just do certificates. Some cons do really nice trophies. Some cons give gift bags of anime merch. A good Instant AMV Contest Prize is a gift certificate to the dealer's room. But in terms of what we <i>expect</i>... really we don't expect anything, since it's not like AMV Contests have ever been about the prizes (well, maybe OtakuCon Miami, but that con sucked so it doesn't matter).

In terms of planning, it all has to do with how many entries you get - there are some cons that have trouble filling up a 2-hour tape (MOST AMV Contests don't run past the 2-hour mark, and that's about 30 videos on average), and cons like Otakon that get 200 submissions and require several pre-screenings to get down to a final 30.

I *highly* suggest you not only consult with other AMV Contest Coordinators, but that you actually make the effort to go to one or two cons and see how the AMV Contest is run. You sound like you think you have all the technical stuff taken care of, but I get the general sense that you're going to overextend yourself. The KISS rule applies here, especially since it's your first time running a contest and you don't quite know what to expect.

Good luck!
-DOKool

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Post by Kalium » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:01 pm

I remember what I did in place of fan balloting: we used a sound-meter, (whatchamacallit, I can't remember the name). Very useful device. I told the crowd ahead of time that we were doing that to pick the audience favorite (didn't tell them there were four judges, and we were also using the audience vote as a judge).

I think it went off pretty well. The categories I used were Drama (filing romance under this, there weren't many actually romantic vids anyway), Comedy, and Romance.

As for length... I managed to run over my allotted 90 minutes, to about 100-110 minutes (it was a long day, I don't remember exactly), and this was for a new contest. I guess the trick is threefold - advertising, allowing multiple vids per editor (I allowed three), and then there were a few people I asked personally if they were going to submit (several of whom did).

That's all the real advice I can offer at the moment, I kind of had to wing a few things here and there, but I managed to get things working. Asking specific questions of more experienced coordinators is definately a good idea, though, and I did it more than once.

Oh, one last tip: if you're running on caffeine, time it right. I had a caffeine crash about 20 minutes into the contest. It sucked.

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Post by dokool » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:09 pm

Kalium wrote:I remember what I did in place of fan balloting: we used a sound-meter, (whatchamacallit, I can't remember the name). Very useful device. I told the crowd ahead of time that we were doing that to pick the audience favorite (didn't tell them there were four judges, and we were also using the audience vote as a judge).
That'd give an edge to the fangirl vids, though, wouldn't it?

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Post by Kalium » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:14 pm

dokool wrote:That'd give an edge to the fangirl vids, though, wouldn't it?
No InuYasha videos were present, and there were remarkably few fangirls in attendance. It worked for me, it gave us a fifth 'judge', and it let us pick the audience favorite. I see no downside to how it worked.

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Post by dokool » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:30 pm

Kalium wrote:
dokool wrote:That'd give an edge to the fangirl vids, though, wouldn't it?
No InuYasha videos were present, and there were remarkably few fangirls in attendance. It worked for me, it gave us a fifth 'judge', and it let us pick the audience favorite. I see no downside to how it worked.
It may be a con-by-con thing. Here's how I'd see that working:

[Trigun video plays, ends]
Female Audience: VASH! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
[Kalium, listening to the sound-meter on headphones, screams in pain]
[Good vid to something not so fangirlish plays]
Audience: *large applause*

Now, if more people applauded the second video, but the screams were louder for the first video... which deserves the win? I mean, don't get me wrong, it sounds like the system worked just fine, but I certainly wouldn't try to implement something like that at Otakon...

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Post by Kalium » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:50 pm

The only video that really got a reaction anything like that was a Naruto video, and that was far outdone by about half of the comedy videos.

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Post by Scintilla » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:55 pm

dokool wrote:
Kalium wrote:
dokool wrote:That'd give an edge to the fangirl vids, though, wouldn't it?
No InuYasha videos were present, and there were remarkably few fangirls in attendance. It worked for me, it gave us a fifth 'judge', and it let us pick the audience favorite. I see no downside to how it worked.
It may be a con-by-con thing. Here's how I'd see that working:

[Trigun video plays, ends]
Female Audience: VASH! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
[Kalium, listening to the sound-meter on headphones, screams in pain]
[Good vid to something not so fangirlish plays]
Audience: *large applause*
I'm forcibly reminded of AnimeNEXT 2004. The Saturday afternoon showing was kinda scary that way. :)
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