I took it as so, no biggy.SQ wrote:Then that would be purely misunderstanding.
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Wrong, you can get as small as you want with DivX, XviD, or any other codec that allows you to specify bitrate.SQ wrote:I used wmv because it's the smallest...
If you're talking about size <i>relative to quality,</i> it's been my experience that XviD (and probably DivX) can produce comparable results to WMV9 at the same or smaller file sizes. (And it'll easily beat any WMV codec earlier than WMV9.)
I'd say that probably DivX and XviD, and certainly MPEG-1, are more widely compatible than WMV...SQ wrote:And most compatible.
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the thing i've always had a problem with trying to teach someone "action sync" either face to face or in my own guide is that, it's kinda something you need to figure out on your own. to me i have my own style and my own ideas how i should sync up and edit a video. Thats what makes a Pwolf video a Pwolf video.
no offence, but your guide seems more liek a guide on how you should go about making a certain kind of video ("cold, hard action with no plot!") rather then a guide on "action sync". of course, your going over what to do int he program, but it doesn't seem you are really <i>teaching</i> action sync, just showing what you would do. which is fine, but i don't think you should be saying the guide is on "Action Sync". cause to me, it's just a guide on how to make a "action" video using <i>your</i> style of edit
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i think it would be best if a guide on action sync were more informational then tutorial... explain different ways to sync: beat, lyrical, both... go over rythm, tone, pitch. then go over different techniques to use (which you have in your guide, to a degree.) maybe show a few examples in what ever program you use as to how to find the right beat or where to make a cut for each of the different areas (rythm, tone, pitch, etc.)...
altimatly tho, figuring out how to sync is just something the editor needs to figure out on their own... it defines your style i guess. i just don't think you can teach someone that... you can show them how to make a cut on a beat... but all your really doing is showing them how to use the program. kinda like you can teach someone how to paint, but it's up to the artist to figure out their style.
anyway, thats my opinions, good luck
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no offence, but your guide seems more liek a guide on how you should go about making a certain kind of video ("cold, hard action with no plot!") rather then a guide on "action sync". of course, your going over what to do int he program, but it doesn't seem you are really <i>teaching</i> action sync, just showing what you would do. which is fine, but i don't think you should be saying the guide is on "Action Sync". cause to me, it's just a guide on how to make a "action" video using <i>your</i> style of edit

i think it would be best if a guide on action sync were more informational then tutorial... explain different ways to sync: beat, lyrical, both... go over rythm, tone, pitch. then go over different techniques to use (which you have in your guide, to a degree.) maybe show a few examples in what ever program you use as to how to find the right beat or where to make a cut for each of the different areas (rythm, tone, pitch, etc.)...
altimatly tho, figuring out how to sync is just something the editor needs to figure out on their own... it defines your style i guess. i just don't think you can teach someone that... you can show them how to make a cut on a beat... but all your really doing is showing them how to use the program. kinda like you can teach someone how to paint, but it's up to the artist to figure out their style.
anyway, thats my opinions, good luck

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I don't need that guide, but pics always do the trick.
Rant: If someone wants a guide to do proper timing then he can never become a solid editor. You learn how to synch on your own and with constant practice, watching many different types of videos. Doing everything by the book never turned out useful in practice.
btw This isn't meant to insult the ones that want to make the guide, just my own view of this matter.
Rant: If someone wants a guide to do proper timing then he can never become a solid editor. You learn how to synch on your own and with constant practice, watching many different types of videos. Doing everything by the book never turned out useful in practice.
btw This isn't meant to insult the ones that want to make the guide, just my own view of this matter.
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Scintilla: I meant most compatible since WMP comes with Windows, and, like, 90% of people use a Windows OS. DivX/XviD, especially for noobs, is something you have to download.
I didn't even know what a codec was until I was like a month into editing.
MPEG1 would be good, but I never seem to be able to get anything lower than a meg from it.
But, overall, I guess it doesn't matter, since you're all saying that video clips shouldn't be in the guide?
Pwolf: Good point. I never realized that.
The guide was written kind of quickly. I was a little excited about the new mini-guide section, and it was my lucky break since I had already started making the guide before AD anounced it.
Point being is, I tried to make it versatile.
I put things in there that I knew how to do. I didn't in dwelve into my actual style of over-editing things and stuff. I was planning to do that in the new one, completely elaborate as you suggested...
But if all I'm doing is teaching them my style, which isn't so great to begin with, I'm not sure about making the guide.
I'd like to make the guide anyway, I just need to figure out how to word it correctly.
The whole goal of the guide is to show people that, "Okay, this is synch."
And then, "Here are some ways to do some synch."
And finally, "If you combine these, you can create limitless amounts of stuff that actually synchs."
I didn't even know what a codec was until I was like a month into editing.
MPEG1 would be good, but I never seem to be able to get anything lower than a meg from it.
But, overall, I guess it doesn't matter, since you're all saying that video clips shouldn't be in the guide?
Pwolf: Good point. I never realized that.
The guide was written kind of quickly. I was a little excited about the new mini-guide section, and it was my lucky break since I had already started making the guide before AD anounced it.
Point being is, I tried to make it versatile.
I put things in there that I knew how to do. I didn't in dwelve into my actual style of over-editing things and stuff. I was planning to do that in the new one, completely elaborate as you suggested...
But if all I'm doing is teaching them my style, which isn't so great to begin with, I'm not sure about making the guide.
I'd like to make the guide anyway, I just need to figure out how to word it correctly.
The whole goal of the guide is to show people that, "Okay, this is synch."
And then, "Here are some ways to do some synch."
And finally, "If you combine these, you can create limitless amounts of stuff that actually synchs."
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i don;t want to discourage you from making the guide. i think it'll help a lot of new editors. i just don't think the name "Action Sync" "or Sync" would be an accurate name for it... at least from what i saw with the last guide, hehe.
but, by all means, make your guide, you don't have to listen to me or others... do what you want. if you think you can help someone get a better understanding of sync, then do it... i don't see me or anyone else doing it
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but, by all means, make your guide, you don't have to listen to me or others... do what you want. if you think you can help someone get a better understanding of sync, then do it... i don't see me or anyone else doing it

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Thanks Pwolf.
You're right, though.
The whole point of the thread is not should I do it, it is how it should be done.
And so far only one person has replied answering that.
You're right, though.
The whole point of the thread is not should I do it, it is how it should be done.
And so far only one person has replied answering that.

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I'm with VoR and Pwolf. First off, a guide to action shouldn't depict the techniques that you yourself use when editing, because that could very well limit someone's creative output. Second, it turns editing into a more methodical form rather than something intuitive or free-flowing. Third, it seems like it would enforce the common editing "tricks" that are making action videos predictable and dull.
But you want to know how it should be done? The thing is that there isn't any way that you should edit, so there's no way you should write the guide. It's too subjective. As far as I'm concerned (with pure action), there are two primary ways to edit to the music: one, either with clip changes or effects with the most pronounced beats; or, two, with inter-clip sync to make the video flow with the music. The techniques you use are irrelevent, but you can show tricks to get around tough spots.
Now that that's out of the way...
And I don't mean to be insulting or rehash what people have already said, but I had to say it. Now if you're insistent on doing this, and you want our opinions on how you should make your opinionated guide, I can give you my opinion. I would definitely use video clips, because they will have to see and hear what's going on in order for them to understand it. Of course you'll also have to use text to explain what's going on. But if you're aiming for a software-friendly guide like you said, pictures are basically out of the question. For that matter, so are step-by-step instructions because you edit differently depending on the software. I really don't see how you can make a comprehensive software-friendly guide to sync though.
But you want to know how it should be done? The thing is that there isn't any way that you should edit, so there's no way you should write the guide. It's too subjective. As far as I'm concerned (with pure action), there are two primary ways to edit to the music: one, either with clip changes or effects with the most pronounced beats; or, two, with inter-clip sync to make the video flow with the music. The techniques you use are irrelevent, but you can show tricks to get around tough spots.
Now that that's out of the way...
Did you need somebody to show you what sync was? I mean... according to what you said right there, all you really need to do is point them to an action video and show them how the video actually matches the music. How they interpret it is how they become a creator. If they can't interpret it, no guide will make them an editor.SQ wrote:The whole goal of the guide is to show people that, "Okay, this is synch."
And then, "Here are some ways to do some synch."
And finally, "If you combine these, you can create limitless amounts of stuff that actually synchs."
And I don't mean to be insulting or rehash what people have already said, but I had to say it. Now if you're insistent on doing this, and you want our opinions on how you should make your opinionated guide, I can give you my opinion. I would definitely use video clips, because they will have to see and hear what's going on in order for them to understand it. Of course you'll also have to use text to explain what's going on. But if you're aiming for a software-friendly guide like you said, pictures are basically out of the question. For that matter, so are step-by-step instructions because you edit differently depending on the software. I really don't see how you can make a comprehensive software-friendly guide to sync though.