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Post by badmartialarts » Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:42 pm

This is what I would do with the two main sections that caught my ear.

4:45 - 6:30

Even though you call the section above this the 'journey section' I felt more like a journey here when the weird synocopated drumming kicked in.

Anime: Briagadoon
Focus: A young girl being drawn into curiouser and curiouser worlds, like Alice and Wonderland a bit. The syncopated rythms offer flashes of strange objects and creatures, and Marin's cheerful resolute smile despite approximately 27 average people's worth of pain being thrown at her shines through it all. (Brigadoon is a wonderful series with a terrible ending, like many series. Have never bought the last 2 DVDs because I heard that too much from people.)

8:17-10:08 Everyone's favorite part, likely because of the heavy contrast it offers to the rest of the piece.

Anime: Texhnolyse

"You will hurt many people. You will destroy everything. And you will be left all alone." These words are spoken by Ran, the Seer (a girl with prophetic powers) to Ichise, the main character of Texhnolyse. And as the show goes on, it looks like his fate may be unavoidable. (Need...next....DVD!) Pain and suffering. Every hope of redemption dashed. But is there a light for him after all? My vision for this section is really violent though (I mentioned that before, I think). And I need scenes that may not be in the show (like I said...need...next...DVD!)


14:33-16:25 offers promise too, but I'm not sure exactly where I would run with it.
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Post by bum » Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:55 pm

I havent realy had time to sit down and listen to the song in full without any distractions lately, so im still not 100% on what sections I want to use. But as for anime, I want to do something with Argentosoma. Mainly because the anime is relatively and I've wanted a chance to use it for some time now, but never realy found the right music.
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Post by pen-pen2002 » Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:21 am

Yeah, Texhnolyze is an amazing anime. The first episode blew me away like no other has. How many DVD's do you have? I've only seen the first 2.

Getting a slow response here. Since the thread was inactive for a while I will send out PMs to people to let them know it's been updated.
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Post by Otohiko » Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:37 am

pen-pen2002 wrote: Anyways here's the idea: Use Lain as the quitisensial innocence lost anime. I would begin with scenes of the stuffed animals, PJ's etc and when the gituars hit I would burn through the suicide and insanity footage like a madman. Especially appropriate with the falling girl and all the falling chords.
I like the idea but for the life of me I can't fit Lain int the second half. Do you have an idea that could pick it up from thre? Something redemptive perhaps.
I actually have another possible idea about this, myself, which may be more concretely in line with the theme of the project - not that I'm saying it's neccesarily better, or what we want...

I'd take Arjuna, and start off with an actual baby who was just born (there's a scene like that there), then go through childhood pictures of the main character (also in the series) to that little melody... then you get to her youth - possibly some nice landscapes involved - with the piano melody.
And then, as is known, the main character dies in the first episode of the series and sees disturbing visions of a future world, which gradually becomes more and more real in the series... That's where this harder part would come in, with that kind of imagery. Then with the guitar solo would have to do with the actual character and her death, and how she wants to come back to life, but there's a price to it - concluding the segment with her actually coming back to life.

Does that sound like an interesting idea to you?
If you think that's good - I'll actually take it as my segment, I think I'll have the footage I need...

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Jasper-Isis wrote:Otohiko: stop belittling your editing abilities! I always start on a video not knowing whether my skills would be able to carry me through the entire project. It's by challenging myself that I really learn how to edit videos and develop my editing style. You've made some really impressive works as well, and embarking on the so-called "above your level" projects would certainly improve your abilities even more.
Heh, oh, don't worry, I was mostly pointing out how I think some segments seem more appropriate to what I see as certain other editors' stylistic leanings.

Technically, I am not a particularly good editor because I'm a somewhat lazy editor - well, 'economical' editor, if you will. I'm really not interested in anything beyond a 'sufficient' technical execution.

On the other hand yea, it's the exact same thing with me - this 'sufficiency' always puts new demands on me, and, as with anything else, I do edit videos as a challenge to myself, that's for sure.

But, we'll see what comes out of this...
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Post by badmartialarts » Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:46 am

I have the first four DVDs. The actual 'plot' of the show (which I assume will carry it through to the end) really just began on DVD 4, so I'm hoping DVD 5 will have a lot of nice psychological scenes like the tantalizing bits seen in DVD 4. And lots of robot-slaying action. :o
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Post by jasper-isis » Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:25 pm

Hmm... I like Otohiko's idea for the opening. Though I may be a little biased because, well, the style of Serial Experiments Lain really creeps me out. :oops: But seriously, I've never seen Arjuna, but Oto's idea seems pretty fitting. He'd just have to make sure to emphasize the "life" aspect and not the "nature" aspect. Which shouldn't be too hard as the two are inevitably connected.

To add to Pen-pen's idea...

The first thing that popped into my mind was Haibane Renmei, but I don't think that its redemption scenes would be explicit enough to use here... (I could be wrong; it's been a while since I watched the show). X TV might also have some scenes to contribute to a part like this. My only problem is that it has such good material that I wouldn't want to "waste" it on the intro.

In fact, I would really like to use X as my anime for the Journey Reprise section. It has enough action to keep up with the music, fitting scenes that would match the theme of the project, and more than enough emotion to really bring out the profoundness of the song. Now I just have to think about which character(s) to focus on out of the rather diverse cast.

To end with an abridged-yet-still-quite-lengthy quote from the show:

"Why is it wrong to kill human beings? Humans kill a lot of animals. And trees, and grasses, and flowers, too. Even if they didn't do it consciously, they still keep killing other living things. Then why are humans not counted as living things that can be killed? Is it because humans are stronger than other living things? Let me ask you again: why is it wrong to kill humans?"

"That is a difficult question..."

"An answer from a ethical point of view, from an ideological point of view, or from a biological point of view. There can be many answers. However ... none of them are perfect. What do you think, Yuuto-san?"

"That is because... somebody would feel sad."
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Post by Otohiko » Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:33 pm

Myself though, I'd actually like to use Lain for some segment or other - just not sure which. The opening doesn't entirely click with Lain in my mind. I do have the footage available though.

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Just thinking about the sections here - from the sound, I get the impression that the middle two are going to be the hardest to approach. In a sense, both of them may well end up being 'and AMV within an AMV' - the first one thematically (because of the Character Profiles structure, which I think is a great idea), and the second one - well, even the fact that it's musically very different from the other sections may end up making it a very different-looking segment also.

Hmm, on the other hand, those two parts can easily end up being the high point of the video if done right. I wish I had an idea for either of them; and the character profile one will definitely need some very high-level editing (just thinking of getting those solos to sync up right gives me a headache) :roll:
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Post by pen-pen2002 » Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:27 pm

Lot of good ideas floating around. I was going to have some ideas up today but that will be delayed due to this.

hopefully that will give people a chance to see this thread. (never figured out how to do a mass PM, if more people don't start replying I'll do it one by one.) At least we seem to have a core of 3 very dedicated and talented editors. Four if you count me.

Keep those creative juices flowing.
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Post by Otohiko » Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:40 pm

Yes, my condolences to you; I hope you can deal with these pressures successfully - no need to worry about the project too much yet.

Myself, I can start editing next monday at the earliest, two weeks from now at latest. So, since I have some idea for an opening segment - I'd like to see if anyone has something even more concrete, or just really wants that segment - since, if not, I could actually take a stab at it starting in a little while.

I think the important part now is coordinating who gets what - since I don't want to go around grabbing tracks as I desire without considering others' interests.
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Post by Zaphod_Beeblebrox » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:20 pm

first off: I'm sorry for your loss and i hope you can get through this in one piece.

second: if you're gonna start PM-ing people, put me on the list, i've been keeping an eye on this for a while, i just haven't had anything to say that might have meant anything.
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