What happened to the Teen Titan AMVs?

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:19 am

I usually use the definiton "animation produced by the japanese animation industry".

Of course there's going to be grey areas, semi productions etc etc but those are argued on a per-case basis. Most things that are discluded are very simple to argue.

Sentient Satire · Post by **Sentient Satire** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:08 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Most things that are discluded are very simple to argue.

Indeed.

I'm not mindlessly agreeing with the Administrator, it is a simple fact that those "grey area"s when discussed on a case-by-case basis will not be judged under draconian stadards.

If I were on the receiving end of this situation (not an "AMV" that belongs locally hosted) then I can simply take that one video elsewhere. No big deal.

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:03 am

Wong wrote:as an Edit to my above post,

If i recall...DBZ and its like are not actualy japanese anime........

but i guess thats another topic for discusion later.

No offense and I'm sorry...
But what [Censoring myself] are you talking about?

Dragonballz was made by a JAPANESE man, and the series was produced by one of THE japanese animation companies Toei Inc.

mystryl_shada · Post by **mystryl_shada** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:47 am

Being one of those people who had Teen Titans vids, I was wondering about all this too. What really does define anime? Sure, stuff made in Japan is a good definition. But really, Japanese animation was based off Disney and other American animation, so why can't it go the other way around? Can something drawin in an "anime" style be qualified as anime if it was drawin in america, or is it just a whole new form of animation?

In any case, if the mods and others will deem that "anime" is defined as "an animated art form created by or in Japan", then I'll respect their wishes. I only put them up in the first place because others were donig them, and they weren't being blocked. Well, most are now. I do wonder why there are still some TT vids that have NOT been blocked. Kinda not fair.

On another note, is there any other place online where I COULD put up my TT vids? Is there another site like this one that deals with things that aren't anime? (other than the evil Kazaa)

~Shada~

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:37 pm

mystryl_shada wrote:In any case, if the mods and others will deem that "anime" is defined as "an animated art form created by or in Japan", then I'll respect their wishes. I only put them up in the first place because others were donig them, and they weren't being blocked. Well, most are now. I do wonder why there are still some TT vids that have NOT been blocked. Kinda not fair...

~Shada~

I'm not sure but I think they will allow you to list the creation of it, just not host it locally.

JMZ · Post by **JMZ** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:32 pm

I believe some people made very good points about why Teen Titans isn’t considered anime, however, I myself must disagree. TT was created using just about everything you’d find in anime such as emotion symbols (ex: tic mark and sweat drop), patterned backgrounds, freeze poses, abrupt comic chibi transformations, and more. The only thing that is debatable is wither or not American done anime (or Amerime as I’ve heard it called) or anything else produced outside of Japan and using a different language qualifies as anime. I think it ought to. Take the history of art movements, for example. The Bauhaus movement originated in Germany and is considered very German in style, but later in the movement the style was picked up by artists in other countries, particularly here in America where some prominent Bauhaus artists came to teach. The Bauhaus movement is still credited to be a German movement, even though not all the art was produced in Germany and/or by Germans. For another example, I’ll bring in manga. Manga is another arguable topic exactly like anime. Does manga drawn in other countries and in other languages besides Japanese actually count as manga? According to one of the leading manga distributors here in Japan, yes. A couple years ago, Tokyopop began the “Rising Stars of Manga” contest series. In this contest, American artists compete to have their short mangas published and to win rights to produce their own manga series. This example shows that the professional industry has acknowledged American-done manga officially as American manga. If this applies to manga, why can’t it apply to anime, which is no different except it has sound and moves?

To bring in another point, anime exists because of American animation. It was the work of Disney that inspired the creator of Astro Boy, one of the earliest animes. Early anime was produced sort of like a duplication of American animation, very much like how today’s debated “Amerime” (as I’ve heard it called) is an impression of Japanese anime. In this sense, one could say the influence has come full circle. America itself is a country that has no old history as a nation and is comprised entirely by adapted foreign influences that in turn gave rise to original ideas—a quality seen in any colony-founded country. Today America is a place where ideas come from all across the globe to mix into the society and define its culture. The acceptance of anime into American animation is simply another example in the let’s-mix-it-all-together American ideal. You could even say that anime might be facing another stage in the evolution of the style as it is blended with current American techniques.

The rise of Amerime is not something that will end soon. Anime recently began to become more widespread and popular here in America in the last couple decades. The kids who were introduced to anime early one are now grown up and entering the job field of media—and with them, they bring their fascination with anime. This “phase” will only become stronger, as each successive generation is exposed to more and more anime, generating an ever increasing number of fans. The issue of wither Amerime is considered anime will have to be resolved sooner or later, because Amerime could very well be here to stay.

Having said all this, I will concur that it is certainly up to the mods wither or not to allow Amerime AMVs on this site. There are certainly problems involved. Defining exactly what is an American anime and what is simply an anime-influenced cartoon is difficult. Teen Titans is a far-end “Amerime” example, while TV shows such as Codename: Kids Next Door is an example of an American cartoon with a few minor anime influences (the creator even admits to this, and admitted being an anime admirer himself). The line becomes blurred, though, when equally mixed shows are brought to light, such as Xiaolin Showdown; this show could be easily argued either way. I suppose in this case it would certainly be up to the discretion of whoever’s in charge—even if they plan to ban all “Amerime”. I will, however, continue to argue for and on behalf of Amerime, just as I have argued for and on behalf of anime in the face of anti-anime art professors and art fans at school.

On a personal note, I’d like to point out that simply “not liking” American anime is not a good reason to censor it. There are those that do like it, and it’s unfair to deny Amerime fans just because someone is biased against the style. After all, those who don’t like it don’t have to pay any attention to it. I apologize if that sounded harsh. ^_^ I just don’t see how it’s right to force on many the opinions of a few, even if it is within the rights of the few to do so.

Sorry if this went long. As you can see, this is a topic I’ve dealt with a lot.

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:56 pm

The problem is.. If you start letting ONE type of american animation in. The others will whine because you cant have the looney toons, then someone will whine because animation was inspired by real life.

Eventually, we're overcrowded and the actual purpose of this site is lost in tons of bull shit.

Just leave it alone. It's a free service if you dont choose to donate, if you want to go take your donation money (like i did) and invest in your own server for you to host alot of your videos on... Please do so.

NO ONE, is stopping you.

JMZ · Post by **JMZ** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:10 pm

Voices_Of_Ryan wrote:The problem is.. If you start letting ONE type of american animation in. The others will whine because you cant have the looney toons, then someone will whine because animation was inspired by real life.

That is why I said the line is difficult to draw. It is obvious that real-life video and ordinary cartoons are not anime, and therefore have no hope of being hosted on an ANIME music video site. My argument is for American ANIME. Defining just what that is, however, is where the unciertainty lies.

Oh, and yes, I do believe that I pointed out the fact that I am aware this is a site which is governed by the interpretations and whims of those who run it. This fact does not need to be repeated, as it has been stated in a good many posts up till now. I am merely putting in an argument, or "protest" if you will, for American anime. Wither or not those in charage choose to agree is entirely up to them--though I'd appreciate it if they would at least consider the matter.

Good grief, I have GOT to watch my posting when I'm on my medication. You'd think I'm defending my college thesis or something. ((O_o))

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:14 pm

JMZ wrote:
Voices_Of_Ryan wrote:The problem is.. If you start letting ONE type of american animation in. The others will whine because you cant have the looney toons, then someone will whine because animation was inspired by real life.
That is why I said the line is difficult to draw. It is obvious that real-life video and ordinary cartoons are not anime, and therefore have no hope of being hosted on an ANIME music video site. My argument is for American ANIME. Defining just what that is, however, is where the unciertainty lies.

Oh, and yes, I do believe that I pointed out the fact that I am aware this is a site which is governed by the interpretations and whims of those who run it. This fact does not need to be repeated, as it has been stated in a good many posts up till now. I am merely putting in an argument, or "protest" if you will, for American anime. Wither or not those in charage choose to agree is entirely up to them--though I'd appreciate it if they would at least consider the matter.

Good grief, I have GOT to watch my posting when I'm on my medication. You'd think I'm defending my college thesis or something. ((O_o))

I'm sure they probably have thought about it many times over. Look Tsumi even went threw looking up to check if the "Teen Titans" was actually drawn in anime.

They might seem like they do nothing.
But I bet tehy do alot more than people give them credit for.

Except Derobert... He's just here for the fame.

post-it · Post by **post-it** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:19 pm

. This tread is getting out-of-hand!

. The issue's at hand are the Copy Right's of the series.
I would love to have fun with an AMV from The WinX Club, but like SMURF's
they are just not allowed on this site.

. hehe, if your sooooo interested in American-ized Anime, why not start your
own site and many-many-many of us would be more that "waiting" to upload
our American and Chinese AMV's

. all I would ask is, when this day comes to pass - send the links to us via
the "Personnel Messingers" button instead of Posting It in one of these locations we are currently reading