If you could animate your own music video...

IronLynx · Post by **IronLynx** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:38 pm

The perfect match for "my immortal" would have to be Blue Gender.
If i ever get a computer with the capabilities that I want, then this is going to be the first AMV that I ever make.

IronLynx · Post by **IronLynx** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:39 pm

By the way..... OmniStrata, your avitar is disturbing.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:42 pm

Hmm, Blue Gender, huh?

But you're not actually animating anything that way - I think you misunderstood the question. What we meant is basically what would you do if you could make your own animation for a music video?, not what existing anime you would use to make your first AMV.

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and, yea, Omni's avatars have always been teh pwn

X-XJakeSilverheartX-X · Post by **X-XJakeSilverheartX-X** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:59 am

Well, I`d probably laugh like a little school girl when it was finished but....I would probably use a song like "From The Inside" by Linkin Park or "Anthem of Our Dying Day" by Story of the Year. Heh. I`m not gonna post my ideas for each of `em up. Cuz then they might get stolen. And then I`ll cry.

Well...not really but...you get the idea

FoxJones · Post by **FoxJones** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:18 am

If I ever have enough skill to make own animation for an AMV I'll also make the music for it myself.

Moonzag · Post by **Moonzag** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:56 am

Even if I could I wouln't. It's too much work. I'd rather make others do the work and just do the planing and such.

Bote · Post by **Bote** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:58 am

Moonzag wrote:Even if I could I wouln't. It's too much work. I'd rather make others do the work and just do the planing and such.

But that ain't fun.

pen-pen2002 · Post by **pen-pen2002** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:16 am

FoxJones wrote:If I ever have enough skill to make own animation for an AMV I'll also make the music for it myself.

Good call, the music would certainly be much easier than the animation and hey, if your going to do something crazy you might as well go all the way.

JakeSilverHeart: Although I worried about it when I first started, people stealing ideas is pretty rare. It's just too much work.

madbunny · Post by **madbunny** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:04 pm

pen-pen2002 wrote:
FoxJones wrote:JakeSilverHeart: Although I worried about it when I first started, people stealing ideas is pretty rare. It's just too much work.

Especially, when it's so much easier to just wait and steal the clips when it's done. That has happened a couple times I've heard.

rose4emily · Post by **rose4emily** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:17 pm

If you decide to keep the animation simple, it probably is feasable to do a video with your own animation. Follow my reasoning on this:

A few videos I've seen have done so much editing and compositing work as to transform the source video itself into something completely different for the music video. The best example of this that I can think of right now would be Scintilla's "Eva Bebop" intro, which turns the characters into sillhouettes, cuts them out of context, and slides them (and a whole bunch of text) around the screen on blocks of solid color to produce an amazing imitation of the style of the Cowboy Bebop intro (which was itself an imitation of the intros used for some American "cowboy" shows like Wild Wild West (the series, not the film).

Scintilla essentially cut much of the source footage down to stills, and then re-animated it to fit the look desired for the video.

Another good example would be AbsoluteDestiny's "Arima Shinkikun", in which he uses a lot of image editing to seamlessly integrate footage from Evangelion and His and Her Circumstances (Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou) and "morph" scenes of Arima into scenes of Shinji and back again. While there was less of the kind of spacial movement found in "Eva Bebop", "Arima Shinjikun" played very nicely with the "plastic" nature of animation, stepping into the realm of transforming imagery that I find to be one of animation's most exciting possibilities (for an extreme example of this shape-changing technique, watch Pink Floyd's "The Wall", for a less extreme version, watch the original ending of NGE for the 'line-art' section).

Replace all of those Gainax characters with your own artwork, do some of your own panning, compositing, and/or morphing, and you have an original animated music video. Even the professionals don't draw everything anew with each frame (at least not since the infancy of filmed animation), and they often take a lot of shortcuts where they translate stills around the screen or re-use parts of a character's motion (think of stock mouths used for speach). It'd take a lot of work, but it would be possible for an individual to create an AMV using completely original animation that would be worth watching.

Same with making your own music - it takes talent, skill, and time, but is possible. I believe a few people here have even done so already.

To pull it off, though, you'd have to have a very strong concept - preferably one that doesn't rely on difficult-to-animate things like fighting, dancing, and explostions.

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Actually, I think it'd be kinda cool to see an AMV made in Flash. I don't know enough about Flash to make one myself (at least not right now), but I think it'd be a great idea. Just imagine the quality/filesize ratio, while you're at it. Use some sort of event/soundbank based audio like is found in MOD files (I think Flash lets you do that within its own structure) and you just might have the smallest losslessly compressed, video ever - and it would look good played back at any resolution.

Just good luck with getting people to actually play the thing.

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Come to think of it - is it "Anime Music Video" or "Animated Music Video"? I've seen a lot of non-anime videos with various types of animation in them, from Disney to MTV. In my opinion, they tend to be a hell of a lot better than most other videos, if only because the medium lends itself to concepts more creative than "show the band playing loudly in a wet and moldy-looking industrial basement" (suburban rock music), "show a few guys holding wads of cash and champaigne with a cornucopia of random shots of expensive cars and skank-ass hoes" (watered-down so-called "gangsta" rap music), "show five guys dancing in front of a bunch of screaming pre-teans, with an occasional 'pensive' or 'sensitive' shot thrown in" (boy-band formula), or "show one girl trying to imitate some lame strip club or fetish act while still barely maintaining PG-13 viewability" (talentless-female-artist-who-is-undeservedly-called-a-"diva" formula). While running on the treadmill at the gym I came to the amusing conclusion that you could listen to almost any song in a given genre, with almost any video from the same genre, and not know or care that the music and video don't match. Try it some time, all it takes is a walkman and a TV that are in no way connected to each other. One lame video is just like the next.

The wonderful part of animation in music videos is that it encourages and forces the editors to "think outside of the box", to show something that actually has a theme, a point, or at least some artistic originailty. From the "highly advanced" early CG of "Money for Nothing" to the highly advanced modern CG used in the original "In The End" video, with a few other twists like the anime-style into to "Freak on a Leash", the unique American style used in "Clint Eastwood" by the Gorillaz, the "drawing" animation used for "Take on Me" or Incubus's "Drive", or the lego-block animation used for a White Stripes video that I can't remember the name to at the moment, animation has been used in a number of professional music videos to give them a unique look and take them outside of the normally mundane realm of popular music videos. It's some that has shown real potential and should be experimented with further and carried on to new music and audiences.