AMVs at GameStop.

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:57 am

EBwiz wrote:Ahem... I know that conventions don't exist to the outside world... But you also have to remember that the inside world (IE: The Anime commute) also includes those people who actually have grounds to sue (IE: Anime companies such as Pioneer, Bandai, The Right Stuf, 4Kids, ADV, Etc. Etc. Etc.) But they do not sue. Why? AMVs are good publicity. Hell, AbsoluteDestiny has one of his AMVs hidden on a disc of a licensed Anime DVD.

If (for example), a pioneer rep walks into a Gamestop and sees an AMV playing, chances are they aren't going to dial their high priced lawyer from their 300 dollar, color screen cellphone with personalized ringtone. Hell, they'd probably give the retailer a thumbs up and tell him to keep up the good work, soldier.

That's an exageration, but the point still stands.

I'm confused...which part of the acronym RIAA did you NOT comprehend exactly? Didn't I JUST get through explaining WHY those who own DVD distribution rights aren't gonna care?

Apeotheosis · Post by **Apeotheosis** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:57 am

EBwiz wrote:Ahem... I know that conventions don't exist to the outside world... But you also have to remember that the inside world (IE: The Anime commute) also includes those people who actually have grounds to sue (IE: Anime companies such as Pioneer, Bandai, The Right Stuf, 4Kids, ADV, Etc. Etc. Etc.) But they do not sue. Why? AMVs are good publicity. Hell, AbsoluteDestiny has one of his AMVs hidden on a disc of a licensed Anime DVD.

If (for example), a pioneer rep walks into a Gamestop and sees an AMV playing, chances are they aren't going to dial their high priced lawyer from their 300 dollar, color screen cellphone with personalized ringtone. Hell, they'd probably give the retailer a thumbs up and tell him to keep up the good work, soldier.

That's an exageration, but the point still stands.

Exactly.

And to the other guy. What's really funny is, you can't do a thing about it.

So there's really no point in being angry about it.

EBwiz · Post by **EBwiz** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:00 am

Ahem, I need to add an addenum cause I didn't read your post thoroughly enough. My fault, I apologize.

I can't disagree that the RIAA, if they knew, would probably pee themselves or whatever... but like I said in a previous post, music playing to random clips of an animation in some store is simply not enough evidence to convict anyone of any wrong doing. The most they could do is to tell them to stop playing licensed music in their store without the proper licenses to do so (And I even doubt that, or else grocery stores that play the radio on their PA system would probably be in deep crap as well).

So, my reiterated point: Worrieing over that reactions seems, to me at least, to be a product of paranoia. That's just my opinion, not an insult. Don't take it as one.

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:05 am

Apeotheosis wrote:
EBwiz wrote:Ahem... I know that conventions don't exist to the outside world... But you also have to remember that the inside world (IE: The Anime commute) also includes those people who actually have grounds to sue (IE: Anime companies such as Pioneer, Bandai, The Right Stuf, 4Kids, ADV, Etc. Etc. Etc.) But they do not sue. Why? AMVs are good publicity. Hell, AbsoluteDestiny has one of his AMVs hidden on a disc of a licensed Anime DVD.

If (for example), a pioneer rep walks into a Gamestop and sees an AMV playing, chances are they aren't going to dial their high priced lawyer from their 300 dollar, color screen cellphone with personalized ringtone. Hell, they'd probably give the retailer a thumbs up and tell him to keep up the good work, soldier.

That's an exageration, but the point still stands.
Exactly.

And to the other guy. What's really funny is, you can't do a thing about it. So there's really no point in being angry about it.

...have you even been paying attention in this thread? I mean...AT ALL?! I myself have only been skimming, but even I managed to noticed that this thread DID in fact have an effect...

x_rex30 wrote:Anyways I contacted Game Stop, and the guy I talked to on the phone said that he'll try to contact the person who brought them in, for the whole WORLD to see. Ok, maybe not the whole world, but it's a damn popular Game store, so you know the AMV's get a lot of exposure. -_^ I already have been asked twice if I would like to bring any in, but I guess it would for some reason be offensive to show AMV's outside some convention, or the privacy of your own home.

billy_wires · Post by **billy_wires** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:17 am

Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:No offense, but you have absolutely NO IDEA about whose getting sued and who isn't. Hell *I'VE* been threatened with lawsuits on numerous occasions and I'm not even TRYING to make money off any of the shit I do.

Not to stray off topic, but I was curious (you should see what's coming). If you don't mind saying, what were you threatened to be sued for. Mostly I'm asking if it was for AMV's, or for some other related copyright infringement.

[quote="Wheee_It's_Me!]At conventions they sell anime DVDs and since AMVs directly support buying DVDs, those who own the DVD distribution rights don't mind. HOWEVER, I would suspect that if the RIAA was a lil more aware of anime conventions and the nature of AMVs, they would throw a shit storm over it! Fact is though, if you e-mailed the RIAA and asked em about AMVs they'd probably be like, "AM-whats?"[/quote]
I think I mentioned this in a different thread, and I'll reiterate it here again by quoting this. This is probably the most widely accepted reason as to why we can go on doing what we do. I expect that even if the RIAA finds out about our "world" (if you'll forgive the term), too much of their attention rests with file sharing and P2P programs which offer easier access to music to come after us right away. But that's just speculation.

More off topic nonsence:
I don't see why people use P2P programs anyway. Most of the people on them can't rip a CD worth squat, and pass it off as kewl sond efects!!!!1

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:33 am

billy_wires wrote: Not to stray off topic, but I was curious (you should see what's coming). If you don't mind saying, what were you threatened to be sued for. Mostly I'm asking if it was for AMV's, or for some other related copyright infringement.

I got threatened with a lawsuit from The American Greetings corporation for having scanned images of of their Care Bear oriented products on my Care Bear website. This despite the fact that most of the images were off of products that aren't even being sold/marketed anymore. And really, that should give you a good understanding of just how crazy some of these companies get with lawsuits.

I also got threated with a lawsuit from Nelvana for selling Care Bear episodes on the same site, however the video captures were all taken off of Toon Disney and I had Disney's permission to distribute them, so they didn't have a case unless they wanted to get into it with Disney.

I lucked out because in those situations no SINGLE entity owned ALL the rights. Nelvana owned the primary franchise, they then sold the merchandising rights to the AGC, they sold TV rights to Disney, and then partial DVD distribution rights have been sold to about 7 different companies.

With anime it's usually quite a bit simpler because the copyrights aren't as widely distributed.

I also got threatened with a lawsuit when I made that "How to unban yourself from Napster" FAQ, way back in like 2000 or 2001 (forget the exact year).

Luckily for me I'm an intimidating enough person that so far no company has had the balls or the stupidity to try and actually take me to court.

More off topic nonsence:
I don't see why people use P2P programs anyway. Most of the people on them can't rip a CD worth squat, and pass it off as kewl sond efects!!!!1

*snicker*

You do of course know that the RIAA floods P2P networks with bogus songs, right?

If they really wanted to deal this community a hard blow, chances are they wouldn't bother suing anyone, they'd just start uploading MASSIVE amounts of shit into the donut and then downloading enmass from hundreds of different servers until they ate up all the bandwidth and forced the entire site to shut down. The RIAA can play dirty, always remember that.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:34 am

There seems to be a shit load of non sense bickering being started for whatever reason.

If some of you could, please stop over reacting over some peoples comments, and if anything approach them with some sort of calmness. So please, if some of you could, calm down a bit. I would highly appreciate it. I feel like arguing with some of you is like agruing with some robot who is programmed to hit you everytime it disagrees. Who cares if someone has an opinion that you don't agree with, you should go attacking them like some search and destroy robot.

Anyways back on topic.

It is my opinion that AMV's promote the sales of both Anime, and Music. If the RIAA actually decided to look at it that way, I can say that would be a huge load of a lot of our backs.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:37 am

x_rex30 wrote:you shouldn't go attacking them like some search and destroy robot.

Sorry just noticed that.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:38 am

x_rex30 wrote:Anyways back on topic. It is my opinion that AMV's promote the sales of both Anime, and Music. If the RIAA actually decided to look at it that way, I can say that would be a huge load of a lot of our backs.

Be that as it may, the RIAA isn't getting paid for each AMV using 'their' music. Thus, they are unhappy. Enough said.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:45 am

Kalium wrote:
x_rex30 wrote:Anyways back on topic. It is my opinion that AMV's promote the sales of both Anime, and Music. If the RIAA actually decided to look at it that way, I can say that would be a huge load of a lot of our backs.
Be that as it may, the RIAA isn't getting paid for each AMV using 'their' music. Thus, they are unhappy. Enough said.

Enough said is just closing your opinion to make it a conclusion of the fact of the matter, witch it's not. It's just an opinion. Also I'm sure the IRAA came across this site acouple of times. I mean if you go under google and type in the name of a song, sometimes you'll come up with some search results of videos listed here.