I wanna whine about people using my video for clips (too)!

Maverick-Rubik · Post by **Maverick-Rubik** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:55 am

So you're saying blending and arranging footage doesn't qualify as an edit?

I was thinking of a back-up statement to put here, but I really think the above line speaks for itself.

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:55 am

x_rex30 wrote:You know, what if you take footage from a video like this?
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=43862.

No effects, no speed ups, and no transitions. Just good old blends. I say it would be like taking clips from the net, or taking footage from a fansub. If you copy the blend parts, or copied the same way it was done by just taking all the footage and the exact way it was put together, then that's when the prob comes in.

If someones taking footage from your amv, but only the parts that have no special affects, speed adjustments, or transitions, then you shouldn't get pissed. And if you still think its wrong to take any sort of footage from an AMV, then fansubs shouldn't be an exception.

The problem arises though in how do you distinguish between a piece of edited and unedited footage? In a lot of cases it can be near impossible. That's why as a general rule, you just shouldn't.

This is ESPECIALLY true for people who are taking footage out of others AMVs. OBVIOUSLY the reason they're doing it is because they don't own or haven't rented the DVDs, in which case they probably haven't seen the series. And if you haven't seen the series, well um, how are you even gonna know in the first place what's been edited and what hasn't been?

Apeotheosis · Post by **Apeotheosis** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:10 am

Castor Troy wrote:People used to set my old dbz videos to Enter Sandman? by Metallica and said the timing worked. My friend put one of my DBZ videos to Nsync's Bye Bye Bye and the timing worked.

You scare me.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:57 am

Wheee_It's_Me! wrote: The problem arises though in how do you distinguish between a piece of edited and unedited footage? In a lot of cases it can be near impossible. That's why as a general rule, you just shouldn't. ?

Point taken. No one should take footage from any AMV's. I personally never wanted to. But when your in another country, and all your DVDs are at home, and you really want to make AMVs, and the only footage you have is the AMVs on your laptop, then you get desperate.

I personally think you shouldn't take footage from AMVs, especially when your coping the creators blends, special effects, transitions etc...

Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:This is ESPECIALLY true for people who are taking footage out of others AMVs. OBVIOUSLY the reason they're doing it is because they don't own or haven't rented the DVDs, in which case they probably haven't seen the series. And if you haven't seen the series, well um, how are you even gonna know in the first place what's been edited and what hasn't been?

The amv I mentioned is in the video announcements, and the guy even says that there aren't any effects, speed ups, or any transitions. Thats why I mentioned that video.

Maverick7013 wrote:So you're saying blending and arranging footage doesn't qualify as an edit?

WTF!!?? Did I say that??? I didn't say they don't qualify as edits!!! I even said you shouldn't take ANY footage from another creator that has blends, and arranged footage from the creator. Did you even read my post!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

Maverick-Rubik · Post by **Maverick-Rubik** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:22 am

Yes, I read your post. I was saying that since you said:

x_rex30 wrote:No effects, no speed ups, and no transitions. Just good old blends.

You later state that it'd be like a fansub from the net. However, the edits between the clips (blends) DO NOT make it like a fansub. Which is why I jumped to my conclusion.

x_rex30 wrote:I even said you shouldn't take ANY footage from another creator that has blends, and arranged footage from the creator.

I didn't say that! Did you even read my post? I was trying to clarify between what you saw as simple blends between clips made by the editor and the way the animation is originally formed. I never said anything about you doing it.

And let's not derail the topic. I'm sorry for my trouble.

Mr Pilkington · Post by **Mr Pilkington** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:13 pm

AMV_4000 wrote:
SnhKnives wrote:
Lone Wolf wrote:How do you people find these vids out of the massive load of crap newbies put out every day? Do you DL every vid and check?
i agree, i woudnt ever know if someone stole my stuff cause i never download all these random videos. and i dont think i have enough friends on here that do either, does someone download these videos and inform you about it?
i found the person who ripped me off somewhat by accident... Blah blah blah i'm a stupid jerk *not to mention oogly* and i heard a song, and noone cared because i'm a lee wanna be... so i founf one, and downloaded it... while watching i was thinking "that looks REALLY familliar..." then i watched one of my vids, pleyed the 2 together, and was like "sweet! somone stold muh shit!" so i told them to give me credit...and they did..

LIES!

**watches ATENCIÓN!!!!!!**
Hypocrite!!

AMV_4000 · Post by **AMV_4000** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:58 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:
AMV_4000 wrote:
SnhKnives wrote:
Lone Wolf wrote:How do you people find these vids out of the massive load of crap newbies put out every day? Do you DL every vid and check?
i agree, i woudnt ever know if someone stole my stuff cause i never download all these random videos. and i dont think i have enough friends on here that do either, does someone download these videos and inform you about it?
i found the person who ripped me off somewhat by accident... Blah blah blah i'm a stupid jerk *not to mention oogly* and i heard a song, and noone cared because i'm a lee wanna be... so i founf one, and downloaded it... while watching i was thinking "that looks REALLY familliar..." then i watched one of my vids, pleyed the 2 together, and was like "sweet! somone stold muh shit!" so i told them to give me credit...and they did..
LIES!

**watches ATENCIÓN!!!!!!**
Hypocrite!!

let me direct you to a previous quote found on page 2

AMV_4000 wrote: well way back when i was using downloaded footage, seeing as i had NO dvd player, and i couldnt get certain anime... i would see it in other peoples vids... even back then i had morals though... but i would steal clips from their vids... i would make sure that i didnt use anything that was noticably edited though! if i knew something was in someones vid, and i knew it was edited, and that people would notice if i put it in my vid... i would have to leave it out.. that is why i would take parts out of someone amvs... *of course now the only reason i do it is to make fun of people to make myself look like a complete jackass!

i hope that clears things up

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:29 pm

well, i don't go downloading videos to see if someone ripped me off or anything, but i had one guy come up to me and say he did a video using "some" clicps from my Du Hast video... well, it was basically my entire video to a different song :\

Pwolf

welfygirl · Post by **welfygirl** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:43 pm

but seriously. when you're talking about .7 seconds of a clip does it really matter?
Some of us a broke high school kids without the resources to get the dvds.

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:05 pm

welfygirl wrote:but seriously. when you're talking about .7 seconds of a clip does it really matter?
Some of us a broke high school kids without the resources to get the dvds.

Except that, that doesn't make any sense. I mean if you're broke and you're gonna pirate clips out of someone else's AMV why couldn't you simply pirate the entire episodes to begin with (not condoning piracy, just making a point)? It's not like one is any less bad than the other. Other than sheer laziness there wouldn't be any need to pirate footage out of someone else's AMVs, regardless of whether you're rich or completely broke.

BTW, just on a side note, most people may not be aware of this, but if you've got cable TV, you're actually entitled to have "backups/recordings" of ANY show aired. So for example I've got cable, since I've had it, every episode of Cowboy Bebop has been aired on CN, because of that I can actually freely download episodes of Cowboy Bebop. There's some argument as to whether you can only have episodes captured off cable or stuff ripped from the DVDs as well, but it is something to consider.

Also you can rent anime, both online and at yer local video rental stores, which really doesn't cost very much at all. I'm sure if you got off your ass and did a lil part time work or saved up some allowance from mommy and daddy that you'd be able to cover it. I don't buy that "broke high school kid" crap, I lived out in the fuckin stixs and even I was able to get a job, when I was only 15. Granted it wasn't the nicest job on the planet, but I had money. And come on, it's not like school could be taking up much of your spare time, most public education systems are an absolute joke these days. So much so that most community colleges offer like Math50, Math65 and Math95, THREE math classes before you even START doing college level mathematics.