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Post by LantisEscudo » Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:34 pm

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someperson wrote:Just playing Devils Adovocate here. Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura were dubbed by the same company (Genon). Are there any other animes that weren't dubbed by Genon, but were butchered as badly as they were?
Just wanted to clarify...Geneon puts out the UNCUT versions of these shows. Nelvana put out CardCaptors, and...hrm...some other company did Sailor Moon (4Kids? Saban? I can't remember).
The first two seasons were dubbed by DiC, whose license (and hence ADV's sublicense) has expired as of April 1st.

The third and fourth seasons, as well as the movies, were dubbed by Cloverway, whose license (and therefore Geneon's sublicense) expires at the end of 2004 for the movies, and a short time after that for the TV series.

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Post by Moonlight Soldier » Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:51 pm

Well I do feel the need for something defending censorship. Truth told, things like Sailor Moon and Cardcaptors started my anime phaze when I was younger and fit the demographic that they targetted. Chances are many of us wouldn't be fans right now if we hadn't experienced them or DBZ or whatnot.

I don't approve of censorship however when it's being aimed at a stable demographic that is supposed to be able to handle what they're watching.
Quite frankly, if someone younger stumbles upon something they're not supposed to, guardians and parents need to look at their lifestyle instead of coming down on television stations :roll:

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Post by TheKorovaMilkbar » Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:59 pm

Moonlight Soldier has a point. Those who can handle the uncut versions should be allowed to, and those who are too young to handle it, shouldn't.

I look at it this way. If you are too young to know that it is the cut version, then you don't know that you're missing out on anything. Hence, everyone is happy.
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Post by Evangelion Unit 01 » Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:01 pm

censorship is bad. I hate it! One reason I watch anime is to get away from my own culture. There is enough christainty (and that is something coming from an eva fan :!: ) here and censorship I look for something different. I think its better if they just make it the way the creator wanted it.

Then of course you have to figure its all marketing. People want someting they can relate to that's why they f*ck (look now I am a censor :wink: ) it all up! That's just my opinoun, and for those who are chrstian no offense.

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Post by ryuu_hime13 » Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:29 pm

Evangelion Unit 01 wrote:censorship is bad. I hate it! One reason I watch anime is to get away from my own culture. There is enough christainty (and that is something coming from an eva fan :!: ) here and censorship I look for something different. I think its better if they just make it the way the creator wanted it.

Then of course you have to figure its all marketing. People want someting they can relate to that's why they f*ck (look now I am a censor :wink: ) it all up! That's just my opinoun, and for those who are chrstian no offense.
You watch anime to get away from your culture? That's gotta be the first time I heard of that one.

Censorship exists for a reason...there's a fine line between censorship and butchery. Take that into consideration.
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Post by gforcecm » Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:39 pm

My take on censoring anime's is this. If companies dont start selling uncensored anime they just going to lose business. As for little kids seeing blood, guts, violence, and nudity. IT'S ALL THE PARENTS FAULT! If the parents arent responsible enough the kids will eventually watch it. So when parents complain about bad anime's its really their fault for letting their kids watch it in the first place. However if the children are old enough to were they know its just a show and not real then their is really no problem. Censorship= a lot of pissed of people!
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Post by Evangelion Unit 01 » Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:08 am

Reply! ryuu_hime13You watch anime to get away from your culture? That's gotta be the first time I heard of that one.

Censorship exists for a reason...there's a fine line between censorship and butchery. Take that into consideration.
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One reason I say that is because I've lived the same place for 19 years which is a very christian, conservitive comunitty (full of evil soccor moms :twisted: ), and yes I want to go other places, but right now I am going to college to earn to get a job to earn money and do that. I have nothing against it its just always the same and I want to see something differnent and anime was very differnent the first time I saw it!

Bottom Line though of why I really hate censorship is becuase sometimes it can really screw with the story! And to me story is evrything and everything else comes second! I want to see what the artist created not what the editor edited!!!!!

Also I totally agree with gforcecm!

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Post by HeartbreakerByZep » Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:19 am

I watch anime to escape my reality. Not to ignore my reality, like not to pretend everything goes away or something. What I mean is that anime has characteristics that don't exist in our world, it's seperate. And that's why it's a refreshing breath of fresh air. It's beleivable and real, relatable and meaningful and sensical, but it's still seperate.
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Post by SS5_Majin_Bebi » Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:35 am

What Rorschach mentioned about the Shrek films was 100% correct - i remember sitting there watching the first one and thinking "Oh that is so not for kids..." a sentiment that was only strengthened by the amount of adult humour in the second one.

To steal a line from the movie Van Wilder, however "...censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself." This statement is quite true.

But what irritates me is when an anime title is released on DVD (which means, at least in my book, that it should be uncut exclusively), cut, and then several months or years later they release the uncut version. Evangelion is a good example, as is the first and second season of dragonball Z, and Ninja Scroll as well (the "10th anniversary special edition" should be renamed the "Uncut edition you should have got 10 years ago"). DVD media is expensive to by (if not to produce - its still hilarious the amount you pay vs the amount it cost to authour), so who wants to have to buy a second copy of every DVD they have just to see what they should have been given in the first place? All it does is cater to the back pocket of the executives while promoting pirace, as no-one likes spending on something they by all rights should own anyway.

On the flip side, there are a fair few anime titles out there that seem to have escaped the eye of the censors somehow - Armitage III Polymatrix and Fist Of The North Star are 2 perfect examples. FoTNS is one of the most bloody and violent movies I have ever seen, and Armitage contains scenes that the censors would have had fits over. But somehow they escaped the wrath of censorship. Censorship as a form of protection is fine, for example changing or editing out scenes in what is quite obviously a childrens show to avoid badly influencing the viewers - ON TELEVISION. As TV is more or less free-to-air, then censorship is a must for it. However censoring things that you have to pay good money for is an absolute joke. As you buy the title, you obviously have some idea of what it contains due to its rating. And as its your money, you should have the right and the pleasure to be able to dictate what it is you do and do not want to watch.

But when expensive material is repeatedly uncensored, it is insulting and unfair to the viewers, the fact that even in a so called "free society", prattish, tight-mouth, whinging fuckpigs of the like that staff national censorship boards, have gotten their ragged dirty teeth into the material you so crave and desire for your own - its just not on. Censors should be able to judge what everyone can watch on television, and not to be allowed to touch those items that you buy for yourself. it isnt their place to dictate the things you choose to watch.

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Post by SS5_Majin_Bebi » Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:38 am

Sorry for the double post, but in that last paragraph I meant to say when material is repeatedly censored, not uncensored.

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