Censorship in anime

GMM2005 · Post by **GMM2005** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:01 pm

I really loved how they fucked Gundam 0083 up by taking away all of the blood and by deleting 15 minutes of audio in each episode..... the cunts fucked the series up >_<

If they are going to show something on TV or something, they should show it like it is and not change it. If they cuss too much and there is exessive violence air them late at night.

And about the DBZ stuff aznfs said, blame the christians. The only fucking religions that is always protesting about stupid shit. Do you see other religions protesting about stupid shit... NO. Grow the hell up

madbunny · Post by **madbunny** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:04 pm

Censonship = usually bad.
I'm not saying that we should start playing hentai mixed in with saturday morning cartoons; I'm saying that people should be given fair warning and decide for themselves.

If parents don't want kids watching nudity, or violence then maybe they should start supervising their kids a bit more. I am perpetually amazed that parents will complain about kids seeing something that has a tiny speck of nudity in it (god forbid it should be male nudity!), or some blood mixed in with violence (bloodless violence is apparently ok, since consequences of butchering/blowing up/shooting/tentacle squishing/falling 200' are not really important in the grand sceme) yet not care that their kids listen to garbage about gangs, guns, homies, hoes, bitches and whatnot. I see this all the time when the school I work at wants to show movies. The parents will say the kid can't watch the "R" or "nc-17" movie, yet they come to school with gangster rap in the cd player. They don't want the kids in gangs, yet they dress up in all red, or all blue for interviews and PT conferences.

This is why I say censorship is not always bad. If parents censor what their kids watch, then fine. Let them make the choice, is Li having a crush on the same guy that Sakura does going to ruin some kid, and make him suddenly gay? I really hope so, because people that are that stupid shouldn't be breeding in the first place.

So in summation: if you don't like it, turn the damm channel.

Zaphod_Beeblebrox · Post by **Zaphod_Beeblebrox** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:22 pm

i agree for the most part, for instance: i never knew DBZ had blood in it at all until i read a section on a fan-site full of deleted or altered frames.

on a funnier side note: i thought it was hell until i saw a still on the web and saw it said hfil

also to put forward another case: in the original DB (note: no Z just DB), there are numerous instances of nudity, but they aren't shown at all in the dubs, either badly edited out, or just cut from the episode altogether, i ask you: what, exactly, is the point?

aznfs · Post by **aznfs** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:26 pm

madbunny wrote:Censonship = usually bad.
I'm not saying that we should start playing hentai mixed in with saturday morning cartoons; I'm saying that people should be given fair warning and decide for themselves.

If parents don't want kids watching nudity, or violence then maybe they should start supervising their kids a bit more. I am perpetually amazed that parents will complain about kids seeing something that has a tiny speck of nudity in it (god forbid it should be male nudity!), or some blood mixed in with violence (bloodless violence is apparently ok, since consequences of butchering/blowing up/shooting/tentacle squishing/falling 200' are not really important in the grand sceme) yet not care that their kids listen to garbage about gangs, guns, homies, hoes, bitches and whatnot. I see this all the time when the school I work at wants to show movies. The parents will say the kid can't watch the "R" or "nc-17" movie, yet they come to school with gangster rap in the cd player. They don't want the kids in gangs, yet they dress up in all red, or all blue for interviews and PT conferences.

This is why I say censorship is not always bad. If parents censor what their kids watch, then fine. Let them make the choice, is Li having a crush on the same guy that Sakura does going to ruin some kid, and make him suddenly gay? I really hope so, because people that are that stupid shouldn't be breeding in the first place.

So in summation: if you don't like it, turn the damm channel.

just reading this reminded me of http://www.tribnet.com/opinion/story/37 ... 9193c.html this article

i dunno if this article was posted on this forum before though

Gaav's friend · Post by **Gaav's friend** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:14 am

censorship=BAD!!!!!
ive tryed to watch anime that has been choped to shit and what end's up happining is after you see the uncensored version you look at your'e tv and say wtf. wile downloading anime that has been licienced is bad....but THEY NEVER RELASE THE F*****G SERIES UNCUT, until 4-5 years after it has been choped to shit. an example is in rk thare is a lot of swearing and blood but when you see it on cartoon network they dont have aney of it in it....thats why i onily buy the dvd's that say original product from japan.

Gaav's friend · Post by **Gaav's friend** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:19 am

sry to make 2 posts but they do play uncut anime on the action chanel at 12 alcock on sat, they already aired hellsing.

madbunny · Post by **madbunny** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:40 am

aznfs wrote:
madbunny wrote:Censonship = usually bad.
I'm not saying that we should start playing hentai mixed in with saturday morning cartoons; I'm saying that people should be given fair warning and decide for themselves.

If parents don't want kids watching nudity, or violence then maybe they should start supervising their kids a bit more. So in summation: if you don't like it, turn the damm channel.
just reading this reminded me of http://www.tribnet.com/opinion/story/37 ... 9193c.html this article i dunno if this article was posted on this forum before though

People like that really piss me off. (see my journal entry for rant)
How goddam hard is it to stay up and watch stuff, or at least see what their kids are doing? The television is not a baby sitter people, don't expect it to mind wipe your kids for you all the time.

You know, I let my students at school bring in anime for work on their own projects, or to just watch if they want to in their spare time. Every once in a while someone will bring in something like Tenchi Muyo, or Karumi. Do I get all foamy at the mouth about it? NO, I tell them to skip the innapropriate for school parts. How hard is that? Does that mean that my classroom has turned into a den of debauchery because possibly a high school age student saw a boobie with no nipple on it? Are the students suddenly having orgies at lunch time and turning into little Mr Oni's? Probably not. Parents; turn the fucking TV off, or better yet, make your kids read a book.

I know perfectly well, that I'm somewhat the hypocrite in that I'm telling others what to think, while telling them not to tell me what to think. However, since I'm telling them that think they should make up their own minds, I've got somewhat of a higher ground morally.

chabols · Post by **chabols** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:08 am

OK this Julie MCbride-Wyatt need to get out and supervise her children I watch flcl on CN and I did not see any girls performing oral sex acts on a lollipop I saw a girl eating a popsicle my God maybe she should get her mind out of the gutter. OK now on to the fact that flcl was rated tv_pg.... doesn't pg mean parents guidance suggested .. if so why is she letter her children watching things pg without a parents. Secondly what is her children doing watching TV at midnight any ways. And if she was so offended why did they watch more then one eps I mean from all the things she sited form the anime it would seem that she watch like half of the series. Also I do not remember young girls naked from the bottom half down.

This concludes my rant on people who need to stfu and watch there children.

someperson · Post by **someperson** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:10 am

Just playing Devils Adovocate here. Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura were dubbed by the same company (Genon). Are there any other animes that weren't dubbed by Genon, but were butchered as badly as they were?

Censorship is fine just as long as it doesn't have a huge impact on the plot of the anime. I'm not a big fan of censorship, but it's necessary when it comes to television (we don't want another incident like the one at the most recent superbowl halftime). True, parents should know what their kids are watching, but sometimes it's just easier for them to plop their kid in front of the television. There are parents who do this all the time and don't leave an impressionable set of morals on their kids or spend any real quality time with them (there tends to be a better bond with parents and their kids if they aren't like the opposite of the example I made above).
When the kid is all messed up and doesn't listen or give a shit about what their parents say, the parents wonder where they went wrong.

(and now I've wandered offtopice).

But anyhoo. Censorship is necessary because you never know when a youngen (or tightly wound censorship freak) could channel flip to the wrong channel at the wrong time. In our society(in general, not everyone) it's pretty rare that people admitt that they made a mistake or did something at their own fault. No doubt if censorship was was lightened people who are looking to make a fast buck would file lawsuits like crazy (^ ^ happy lawyers) becuase their kids are messed or they have been mentally or emotionally scarred.

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:47 am

HeartbreakerByZep wrote:Religion is turned into Christianity? Haven't seen that, but I guess it probably happens.

The situation's actually a bit more complex than that. Any Christian worth his salt can tell you that what passes for "Christian" on television is by no means truly Christian. Case in point: the first X-men cartoons did touch briefly on Nightcrawler's Catholicism in one episode, which also portrayed Wolverine praying in a church at the end. Still, the theology in that episode never got beyond Nightcrawler mentioning that a lot of people (mutant or otherwise) believe that Jesus loves them.

Gee, that's nice! Of course, any greeting card company could have told them that, and the cartoon certainly isn't going to be giving us any reason *why* a lot of people believe this, or what real difference it makes that they do. Meanwhile, kids' cartoons have plenty of sorcery and other decidedly anti-Christian stuff in them, although of course it's dumbed down too. (Did you know, though, that there's actually a Smurfs episode which has the smurfs drawing a pentagram as part of their magic? The censors are rather selective in their vigilance) TV's religion is more like a vague humanist pietism in which a god (no big "G" allowed on television) can get a brief mention as long as he's not portrayed doing anything too socially controversial.

As a follow-up point: the second X-men movie did deal a little more frankly with Nightcrawler's Catholicism, although it also blatantly played the patently false analogy between homosexuality and mutation to the hilt. (Read the raw data: gays are not "born that way" whatever media commentators claim. But that's a subject for another day.) The reason why this film could get away with raising such controversial points? It's for an older audience.

The influx of anime has, very notably, opened up some middle ground, which I think is all to the good. There's something rather dimwitted in the first place about trying to make an R or even PG-13 series into a G-rated series, but that was pretty much what censors in the earlier decades had to do if they wanted an animated series to get over here at all. As the matter stands now, I think the introduction of the PG-rated Shrek films should help pave the way for a lower level of censorship in which certain things that make adults smirk while flying over the heads of their children will be allowed to stay in.

Bottom line: anime doesn't quite fit in with the American paradigm for cartoons, but with a little more fine-tuning on both sides of the equation, it will.