Stop Looking So Gawd Awfully Stupid

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:49 pm

The lot of you remind me of the emulation community circa 1997. See way back in the day there used to be this WHOLE great big sub community of the emulation community who had this whole, "Oh we're not doing anything illegal cause we're only downloading old games that aren't being sold anymore". *shakes head*

No, sorry, that's not how it works. You can sit there and spend every last waking minute trying to come up with excuses as to why what you're doing isn't pirating, but when it gets right down to it, you are. There is no justification, there is no pretty way of dancing around the issue. If you make AMVs and distribute them, you are pirating.

What's even funnier and what makes the mods look even MORE foolish is the fact that they try and parade this blatant lie, this transparent facade around whilst doing things like starting up an IRC channel on ZIrc. WHICH, the last time I checked, was home to like, Aniverse...you know one of the biggest anime pirating groups around. o_O

Seriously, if you're going to try and lie to yourself and everyone else...at least have the fucking decency to do a better job of it.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:52 pm

I'm sorry but exactly what are you referring to here? You've given no point of reference for your post. We all know amvs are piracy, that is not at question so what is your objection?

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:54 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:I'm sorry but exactly what are you referring to here? You've given no point of reference for your post. We all know amvs are piracy, that is not at question so what is your objection?

If that's the case why do allow linking to AMVs but not to clips of anime? Specifically clips of anime to be used IN the making of AMVs?

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:57 pm

The administration of animemusicvideos.org, both past and present, are in full support of companies that release anime. We feel that AMVs are good advertising for the companies and many western companies have been very much in support of this non-profit fan hobby. To show our support for these companies we encourage creators to, as much as possible, purchase their products for use in creating AMVs. We decided a long time ago that one way we could proactively assist this would be in disallowing forum discussion, links and directions of how to obtain these products without paying the official companies for them. This idea has been extended to the IRC room also.

This rule is not made for reasons of legality but because of what we feel is fair practise. It is not our concern what discussion, linking, distributing and so on happens in private. The rule is only strictly enforced on the forum simply because we want to encourage people to support the companies that work hard to make anime available for us.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:58 pm

P.S. The debate on short clips being used to expound upon a point is still very much under debate as it is the difference between harsh and flexible interpretation of the forum rules. This debate can continue in the split thread as it is of beneficial discussion.

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:26 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:The administration of animemusicvideos.org, both past and present, are in full support of companies that release anime.

*Hatter checks ZiRC*

Well, seems they've cleaned up a bit. #anime-blitz is still around, but the really big DVD ripping & distributing channels are gone.

We feel that AMVs are good advertising for the companies and many western companies have been very much in support of this non-profit fan hobby. To show our support for these companies we encourage creators to, as much as possible, purchase their products for use in creating AMVs.

What's your official stance on renting through say Greencine, if you don't mind my asking. Technically speaking it would still support the DVD distribution companies (mostly cause material that's used for rentals costs a LOT more than if you bought commerically released DVDs).

We decided a long time ago that one way we could proactively assist this would be in disallowing forum discussion, links and directions of how to obtain these products without paying the official companies for them. This idea has been extended to the IRC room also.

How is a single, 10 second clip, with no original audio getting the "product" without paying for it?

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:28 pm

Offhand, I know that Fluxy rents through Greencine, and some of us use local rentals.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:13 am

Show me someone getting arrested because he or she made an amv and I'll give you a cookie.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:45 am

Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:How is a single, 10 second clip, with no original audio getting the "product" without paying for it?

Like I said, the use of short clips on the forum for on-topic purposes hasn't really been raised as a point before and is under consideration. It will be likely that some rule will be added permitting this.

As for rentals, it's a little cheeky but I don't really see the need to make a judgement on it. Whether renting is giving the company enough money is a really subjective thing depending on useage so in short I'll say it's ok to recommend rentals for source but buying is best

Savia · Post by **Savia** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:07 am

Castor Troy wrote:Show me someone getting arrested because he or she made an amv and I'll give you a cookie.

If it was you that was arrested, your cookie will contain a hacksaw.