Philosophies on Opinioins?

[Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]]

eh, i'm not so uptight about an opinions worth, Even if its all 10s, and the person can;t find anything wrong with the video, I say its a worthy opinion IF it is how they truly feel about the video. so called Pimp opinions that are used just to inflate the score for the top 10% are the ones that are worthless. Even so i still try not to give 10s unless it is groundbreaking in that field, so generally 9s are standard for good stuff, and I just give a 10 for exceptionally good. hence no one has ever gotten streight 10s from me on every field yet, though some have gotten them in more than one. No one is perfect, your bound to have some kindof reservation about something they did in the vid. no mater how small it is.

Opinions are opinions though, and I am gratefull that people take the time to comment on the vid, even if it is not the longest and/or best helpfull opinion in the world. Although I do value the helpfull ones more.

I say if you have somehing to say about the video, say it. If you can't figure out anything more to say that Awesome vid man! and give all 10s across the board, though, might be better to just PM them that, or try to be more detailed and say exactly what you liked about it, and try explaining your scores, so the editor knows you didn;t just put anything down to get it over with, or pimp it hoping for a pimp in return (in the case of 1 on 1 ops)

Ofcourse there is always the guide on opinionating you can refrence also. just check the guides section of the site. It has good examples of good and bad opinions.

[Coffee 54]

Sometimes I feel like Homer Simpson when I do an opinion. "Your video today get the lowest rating from me - only 7 thumbs up."

[OtakuForLife]

I usally write List Type of opinons, like a college teacher would
and try to make it as non-based as humanly possible.

Example (Not a real oppinon)
Good:
1) The plot was solid and true to the mood of the song
2) The scene selection was nice for (Blah Blah...etc)
3) Liked how you used the emotions of the charcters

Bad:
1) Need to fix those interlacing problems
2) The cutting needs to be whole lot faster
3) The Audio was a bit muffled


I think it's alot easier to-do-it that way

[SnhKnives]

This is a good question.

All I know is that almost all of the rude and stupid opinions I've goten have come from people who aren't creators or creators who just painfully suck. Theres a lot to be said for that.

Also, I think theres a lot of factors that go into this discussion, primarily personality type. Personable people have an easier time telling people their opinions than someone who is more reserved.

I totally agree

The only OPs that ever make me frustrated are the ones that come from non-creators or creators who joined the org 3 weeks ago.

I am not trying to say the only ops i got with bad scores have been from newbies. I have gotten an op telling me to improve on things from good creators before.

the thing that frutrates me about other ops, is that the person either doesnt give me justification, or doesnt know what he/she is talking about.

yeah, some people..... thats my 2 cents.

[Fluxmeister]

Here is an opinion killer:

Any mention of these kinds of things:

I don't know why this is in the top 10%, I will score you accordingly in an attempt to move your video out of it.

or

I don't know why this isn't in the top 10%, I will score you accordingly in an attempt to move your video into it. This is so much better than the crap there now.

(or any mention of the top 10%...)

Anyone can make an opinion... if you present it well the creator should be able to respect it, no matter whether it be positive or negative. The key is to present your reasoning, as opposed to just making "video = lame" comments.

Scoring etc. is an entirely different subject... how do you compare videos to make your scoring fair and appropriate... I think the only way you can is to start with your favorite, score it as you see fit, and then base others on it... The problem with this approach is that you may find your favorite really lacks later... do you re-score? (probably not) ... or do you just adjust your reviews from that point forward? This is probably what I have done.

[Pyle]

At what point should you consider yourself worthy of garnishing opinions on the site? I mean, I realized this week that I am just learning to tell my video from a hole in the ground and the stuff that goes into it.

When does experience allow you to judge someone elses work?

First thing to know: This ain't like fanfiction.net. Asking for a free handout of opinions ain't gonna get you any, and you probably won't recieve any for a few months unless you spam it across several message boards *_*.

Go to the Op exchange forum and the light of god shall find you.

[Pyle]

the thing that frutrates me about other ops, is that the person either doesnt give me justification, or doesnt know what he/she is talking about.

I know how you feel @_@

[eadsja]

At what point should you consider yourself worthy of garnishing opinions on the site? I mean, I realized this week that I am just learning to tell my video from a hole in the ground and the stuff that goes into it.

When does experience allow you to judge someone elses work?

First thing to know: This ain't like fanfiction.net. Asking for a free handout of opinions ain't gonna get you any, and you probably won't recieve any for a few months unless you spam it across several message boards *_*.

Go to the Op exchange forum and the light of god shall find you.

This post was not an attempt at a sympathy opinion. I have found the opinions exchange, and this is a discussion about Opinion Philosophies, where in here did I go

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How should this be opinionated (or something like that).

You read too much into it.

There is a difference between policy and what is appreciated and I didn't want to start spewing forth un-appreciated oppinions (due to my experience) or worthless opinions (due to me completely missing a point).

Just trying to get a feel for the place.

[Arigatomina]

There is a difference between policy and what is appreciated and I didn't want to start spewing forth un-appreciated oppinions (due to my experience) or worthless opinions (due to me completely missing a point).

Just trying to get a feel for the place.

The best way to learn how to give opinions is to *give* opinions. Sure, you'll start out with little idea on exactly what to look for (and even less idea on how to *find* what you're looking to comment on). But give an opinion, read the other opinions given to that video and see what they've said differently (or similar), and most of all - read the feedback the creator leaves about your review. If the person argues with one of the scores you gave, think about why the person argued (why he or she thinks it's high or low) and what you were basing the point on when you gave it. Chances are you'll either start out scoring way high (not knowing any better) or way low (not knowing what the great/bad/average scores are). You can't help that until you've given a number of opinions and have something to base those scores off of. And remember, you *can* edit your reviews. I gave about 130 little useless reviews when I started, but I've fixed most of them once I realized what I was missing/doing wrong. It's a learning process. But it's also a hands-on process. You want to learn? Then do it and use trial and error to teach you. The more vids you watch and review, the more accustomed you get to breaking 'feedback' into categories, assigning numbers based on all the other vids you've seen. And believe me, after you've reviewed a few hundred videos, you can assign numbers without thinking twice about it - it becomes quick and natural - and you'll find yourself with a 'style' or manner of reviewing. And the more confidence you get in your way of reviewing, the better the reviews.

Just don't be so strict that you ignore the response from the creators - you don't have to *obey* or even agree with them, but listen to what they have to say and take it as feedback for yourself. Keep in mind that the videos you review will probably be ones that are similar (if you're going for the ones you like, or the ones using anime/songs/concepts you're familiar with). Chances are if you're reviewing similar vids, you'll get similar responses to your reviews. This thread is getting you all *sorts* of responses. You don't have to worry about pleasing this many people unless you like reviewing and pick vids at random to review.

As for the topic - If a person isn't an editor, he or she can still tell me what she liked about the video, and what seemed 'off' or just not good or enjoyable. Someone who's never seen an amv can still tell me if he hated this part, or thought it was hard to see (capture quality). You don't have to know everything about editing to give a person useful feedback - useful feedback is *any* feedback the creator takes and uses. Praise, even if it's vague, can be used as a motivator. Vague "I didn't really like this part but I'm not sure why" can also be used - to make the creator focus on that part to try and figure out for himself what might be wrong with it. You don't need to point out every skipped frame on a second-by-second basis to be a useful reviewer. Some of us would much rather have personal feedback on the concept than a timeframe of the cold editing (aka the cuts rather than the story). It depends on the creator, just like 'useful' depends on what the creator can use. Don't bother trying to please everyone - just get out there and find your style of reviewing.

[badmartialarts]

Think everything's been said, but what the hell.

My personal video creation skills are, uhm, rudimentary at best. I have a strange sense of timing that I think no one gets but me. But, anyway, that doesn't affect my abilities to op videos.

Here's an example from another field, food criticism. Food critics are usually not chefs themselves. Sure, they might have been to a culinary school, and I'm sure that some basic understanding of the process of food creation is essential to being a food critic. But, in reality, what is needed is a discriminating palate and the ability to relate an opinion to others. Neither of which totally qualifys one to be a master chef.

In the same vein, a AMV critic needs a discerning ear and eye, and the ability to explain him or herself to his listener; namely, the creator. Thus, just becuase you can tell a video is mistimed doesn't help if the best you can come up with is "HAR This video sucks." Conversely, if something is good, a "WOW THIS ROCKS" is also not really useful.

Not sure how discerning my eyes and ears are (I tend to gravitae to higher scores than most other reviewers), but I try to impart what I can, and if I see a problem I know how to fix (SQUARE PIXELS FOO!), I'll let the creator know.

Plus, by giving opinions, I can see what I like and don't like in AMV making, and can adjust fire on my video projects accordingly.