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Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:27 am

So we can either start our own org server, or get a channel on an existing server (perferably a network). For control, it seems that either some server-side filtering (if running an org server) or a control bot (if not) is in order. AFAIK, there are a large number of people who can help config an IRC server.

As for an applet IRC client, that would only work if the org was running the server from the same machine as the webserver. Otherwise, Java applet security won't allow any connection (applets can connect to the webserver serving the applet only).

As for a control bot, well, bots are easy to make. I've been playing with the PircBot framework for a few months now, and it's not too complicated. But then, a Java-based bot might not be a good choice to run server-side.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:35 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote: 1) No fserves of anything that are not amvs and ONLY if they are your own amvs or you have asked permission to host them. The minute this is broken the chat room will be disowned.

Any particular reason we cant host other peoples amvs? Especially for older and more rare videos, this would be a great distribution method.

Aside from that, an IRC channel sounds good. I wouldn't mind being an op. I spend all my time on irc anyways...

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:38 am

Yeah, I see what you mean.

I guess that provided they are properly acknowledged (either by bumper, filename or foldername) to the actual creator then it should be ok. I want the original creator to get the credit, is all.

Sanosuke6988 · Post by **Sanosuke6988** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:52 am

The problem is, you KNOW I would have to be an room mod. Otherwise, it just wouldn't be the complete amv dot org chat experience =)

Brsrk · Post by **Brsrk** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:56 am

I can keep logs on my comp, you will get ops AD don't worry, lol, you are a site admin after all. There are a few people in my mind that I think would make good channel ops.

I am willing to learn on how to make a server, relearn all the channel commands, although I'd have to sit myself down and keep diablo 2 away long enough to learn the majority of them. Like I said earlier, I can keep one of my comps in the chat almost 24/7, but I won't be there all the time, so what I'm thinking, is that if it's possible, although ChanServ can just do it, make a bot that keeps ip addresses and user names logged incase there's any trouble.

I'll be back in about an hour and will start looking for a few good servers, or learn to make one (I doubt I'd be able to host it though).

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:02 pm

OK there are a LOT of seperate plans and ideas here, folks, and I'd prefer this to be a combined not a competitive effort.

If everyone who has something to contribute to an IRC proposal can work it out between each other (use this thread by all means) then I can make a judgement on a final product and give advice along the way.

Something with java access would be preferable too, but not mandatory.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:49 pm

I think Rizon might be a good place to host the channel. Couple of reasons:

1. Lots of people that are already involved with irc would be there already, and its annoying to have a lot of server windows open.

2. There are lots of anime channels there, and it could potentially bring in new users, get them interested in AMVs.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:05 pm

Most if not all of the major networks are out. They either have fansub groups or exist to cater to entirely different groups.

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:09 pm

i always thought an IRC room would be best, it offers more regulation then the AIM one. I have always hated the flames and overall rudeness that the AIM chatroom has, but it was fun other times

anyway, as for rules for the irc room, simply keep them relitivly same to the forum rules. The forum is a major part of the site, so keeping the chatroom close to the same would make it easier to regulate. Ops need to be people you (AD) can trust. There are several people i would cringe hearing that they are an op (not gona say who). Also the ops need to be regulated also so if they aren't doing their job or abusing their power. I can look into getting a bot to log the chat. my brother ops and runs a bot for #gundam on mircx (not anymore tho... don't remember were they moved).

once a set of rules and ops are selected, i don't think it will be hard to keep the chat up. There would need to be a some kind of java irc client so members who aren't familiar with IRC can login. The main problems with the last irc amv chats was no regulation, and no one knew about it. one you take care of those two problems, i think the chat will be fine

bots need to be on a computer that is on 24/7, with little or no downtime. this computer needs to be cotrolled by one of the ops. this op doesn't need to be on all the time, but just needs to host the bot and make sure it's running all the time.

as for location, rizon is fine for me. i'm not on irc that much anyway, so i don't care as long as the server stays up

those are my thoughts on the chat.

Pwolf

oh and, doesn't mirc have the ablitiy to log? so anyone who runs the bot can just setup mirc to do it.

BogoSort · Post by **BogoSort** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:09 pm

I've run a couple of IRC channels so I'll volunteer to help out on whatever plan ultimately gets implemented if desired. But in response to some of the other ideas mentioned here:

Do we really need separate bots? Many IRC networks nowadays have services which will handle most of the needs specified right now(like kick/banning people who violate rules, giving ops to those who need it). The main feature that's been mentioned that's missing is logging, and we can either have a bot set aside for that, or just have someone's client responsible for that.

Is Java support something that's necessary? It adds a lot of work on the administrators part and introduces a slew of issues when giving detailed instructions on mIRC(for people to ignore) generally works quite well.

I've never used Rizon, but looking at their rules and information about their network it seems to be workable.