Looking for a good Flash back filtery thingamabob.

Nekoboy Sal · Post by **Nekoboy Sal** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:25 pm

Okay, Right now my AVM makes no sence! I need a way to show people that between the stragaling sceenes that there is a flashback. I was thinking about an oldmoive filter, but not only do I not know where to find one, I don't think it will fit. Its an AMV to lain, so maybe a digital kinda filter would work.
Prefurably I could just take the filter and aply it, or lay it over combined clips in Premier.
Thanks.

Brain-Carnival · Post by **Brain-Carnival** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:46 pm

"BorisFX" has a very nice and professional aged-film-filter, u can download a 30 days trial at:

www.borisfx.com

Greetz, Brain-Carnival

Nekoboy Sal · Post by **Nekoboy Sal** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:00 pm

I don't think I can stand anouther 30Day free trial. I have 2 at the moment! One is an mpglayer 2 encoder or something. And the other is an alaround media file converter. The first one is good, the second one sucks! There are a bunch of options, but non that you wuold want! Well the DVD options are the only good parts, but Its not worth the money. The fist one is awsome cuz I can make walpapers for my DVD player. But I have like 10 days left to may as many Backrounds as I can.
Any way. I'm getting off the internet soon so I'm notgoing to download the thing. If it works out of Photoshop I'm fine. Other wise I'll have to watch my export before I can use the filter. I need it to fade out at a sertine point aswell, and I'm just lazy. I want to know if it works now.
Don't get me wrong I completly appreciat the help. I'm just cranky. I only type alot when I'm cranky. My apologise. Thanks for the hlep

Look at all that off topicness

Hitori · Post by **Hitori** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:39 pm

If you like it.. then buy it?

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:41 pm

I could never understand using aged film for flashbacks, I mean, it's a flashback in your head, not a trip back in time to a 1930s movie theater. o_O

For flashbacks there are a variety of long standing techniques. One example is with a liquid fade in and out, probably the most classic. Then of course you can do a flash fade and maybe make the video black and white (cause I guess a lot of people don't dream/imagine in color or something).

There's some other things you can do as well, like use a cloud bubble type of overlay, like the kind I used in my AMV Forever.

I really wouldn't used the age filmed filter for a flash back though, that's kinda silly.

...although what you could do, and it would require a lot of work. Find a static frame of a character sitting, then edit the frame so that they're watching at old movie with an old movie projector (you could hack out some footage from that one Tenchi movie). Then once you do that, have the flashback clip starting out with aged film and overlayed on the movie projector screen (like the character(s) are watching it). Then zoom it in until the the aged film screen takes up the whole screen. Then do some kind of a transition effect, like a flash, or a some kind of distortion filter, and have it transition into the regular color version of the clip.

So basically it would look like the character is watching an old 8mm film about some event in the past and their watching it sorta causes them to flashback and relive the moment in time in technicolor goodness.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:59 pm

I don't see whats wrong with using aged film for a flashback. Aged film gives it a style that suggests it happened in the past. A flashback happened in the past. It's just simple association.
Likewise, how in the world does a bubble imply that someone is thinking or reminiscing? When you think about something, does a bubble pop up in your head? I can tell you that I sure don't see any bubbles in my head.

Both techniques work just fine to get the idea across of a memory. There are also countless other techniques, though it's not necessary to reuse a classic technique like this. Theres always room for invention of new techniques!

Lounge Fly · Post by **Lounge Fly** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:25 pm

Here are a few ideas:

One is use a noise filter with not too much noise. I figure that noise filters work because when you think of any memory, it becomes fuzzy. The farther back you have to recall, the fuzzier it is. A noise filter can help make the video fuzzy, thus making it look like a flashback. Of course, I wouldn't put too much noise in

You could make the video black and white, sepia or just tone down some of the color with Tint to give it the "timeless" feel. Memories are seemingly timeless

I also noticed in an RK video I downloaded awhile ago that he wanted to portray most of the video as a flashback. So he used a diamond iris throughout the entire flashback which was almost the whole song. The diamond iris was almost entirely open so you could only see the corners of the screen filled with black. It almost looked like you were looking through kenshin's eyes which were partly closed.

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:09 pm

Zarxrax wrote:I don't see whats wrong with using aged film for a flashback. Aged film gives it a style that suggests it happened in the past. A flashback happened in the past. It's just simple association.

Name one example in mainstream media in which an aged film effect is used to portray a flash back.

Likewise, how in the world does a bubble imply that someone is thinking or reminiscing? When you think about something, does a bubble pop up in your head? I can tell you that I sure don't see any bubbles in my head.

Okay at this point you're just getting silly. I mean thought bubbles have been around since like forever, especially in cartoons. Furthermore, the thought bubble is suppose to kinda show that it's hazy without actually bluring the video (which is another technique you can do, one that Lounge Fly just mentioned). Because flashbacks and memories aren't really crystal clear per say, I mean you can't literarly relive them, so they're kinda hazy, off in the clouds so to speak. Bluring, thought bubbles, tinting, all good ways of showing that haze...aged film...not unless you have an 8mm camera stuck in your head. Seriously, when was the last time you thought up some memory from the past and it came to you looking like aged film? o_O

Both techniques work just fine to get the idea across of a memory.

Oh you can use both, sure, however using an aged film effect is just gonna look silly if you don't put in some extra creativity for it (like what I mentioned in my last post).

There are also countless other techniques,

Really, like what? I mean, come on, don't leave us in suspense, now is the perfect time to bring em all up...or were you just trying to sound intelligent?

though it's not necessary to reuse a classic technique like this. Theres always room for invention of new techniques!

Using aged film to portray a flash back in most instances is not a classic technique, it's a classic blunder, the kind that you can find in AMVs and student film school projects, otherwise...not so much.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:17 pm

Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:
Zarxrax wrote:I don't see whats wrong with using aged film for a flashback. Aged film gives it a style that suggests it happened in the past. A flashback happened in the past. It's just simple association.
Name one example in mainstream media in which an aged film effect is used to portray a flash back.

Happy Gilmore, at the very beginning.

BURN

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:27 pm

Zarxrax wrote:
Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:
Zarxrax wrote:I don't see whats wrong with using aged film for a flashback. Aged film gives it a style that suggests it happened in the past. A flashback happened in the past. It's just simple association.
Name one example in mainstream media in which an aged film effect is used to portray a flash back.
Happy Gilmore, at the very beginning.

BURN

o_O

Happy Gilmore? THAT is the best example you could come up with? Or was it just the ONLY example you could come up with? I mean, HG was directed by Dennis Dugan, the man directed such classic hits as:

The Love Boat: The Next Wave, Doogie Howser, M.D., Beverly Hills Ninja and Problem Child.

We can give him some props for Ally McBeal and Jumanji, but even those are a bit of a stretch.