Playing For Time....my Jacon entry
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- AMV_4000
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40-1:40 has extremely rough edges... looks like it was resized down from 480x320 to 320 x 240....
half of the beats were either missed... or there were extremly small edits *or crummy fan edits* 2:20-2:46 is low quality too.. not just the edges, it might be the mpeg encoding... plus the chess game dosent go well to the beat, and not at all with the lyrics... and the chess piece at the end dosent really work for me.. anyways, justs just my $0.02
half of the beats were either missed... or there were extremly small edits *or crummy fan edits* 2:20-2:46 is low quality too.. not just the edges, it might be the mpeg encoding... plus the chess game dosent go well to the beat, and not at all with the lyrics... and the chess piece at the end dosent really work for me.. anyways, justs just my $0.02
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The rough edges came from the MPEG1 compression, coming down from 3GB had to lose something. I'll probably upload a different DivX/XviD version to quell the "horrid" quality issues. Hell, I should probably upload the MPEG-2.
The part where the man is running and the train going through the stattion, and the man is murdered, those are all matched up as well, they are not edits, they are just opacity rubber bands in and out. I've looked the Premiere file over and over and they are dead on, many of them very subtle.
Has you may or may not of noticed I tried to setup a theme. While the chess idea may have gone over your head or just isn't your cup of tea, it is still there.
Quoted from the video info:
"Cowboy Bebop suddenly came into the picture after I came to the realization that every character in the show gets sucked into their own inevitablity and perhaps their own doom.
The chess piece motif only seemed fitting, chess is a very tactical game and it can suck you right in. I also felt that the chess game was a great way to signify the progression of inevitability and their eventual end game. Every character in the show is a piece on the board and an unseen enemy is playing against them, that being time itself. So the idea spawned into the metaphorical playing chess with their time and how that "time is running out".
You may or may not notice that the color has been slightly drained and the whites are much brighter than the original footage. This was done to try to give the video certain feelings, the color draining gives it more of a uniform military look while the blown out whites give the undlying impression that things are out of control. "
The chess pieces are not designed to go with the lyrics, they are a story telling device, metaphors for our characters. Like everyone is a "pawn" in this game of life and death. And if you notice, everytime one of those chess pieces lands, the location it hits illuminates....right on beat. So while they are not lyrically matched, they are definitely on beat. Not all cuts have to be on beat, many of the on beat things I did were subtle.
If you play chess on a tournament level then you will understand that timed chess is very frantic and you are playing against the clock. I look at the song speaking of time, so the lyrics are referring to time and not some one or some thing, and if you try to picture in your mind all the characters of the bebop as chess pieces and imagine two chess players frantically trying to win then you will get it.
The chess piece at the end is the king, it signifies the goal, his target, the end/death...however you want to look at it. It is like he is rushing head long into where his fate is and that is his goal/the king/death.
I understand your point of view, the video is obviously not clicking for you, and that's fine. I know I can't please everyone nor am I trying to, but I am trying to show you what I was going for. I appreciate the criticism. It gives me pause to go back and try to look at the video another way.
The part where the man is running and the train going through the stattion, and the man is murdered, those are all matched up as well, they are not edits, they are just opacity rubber bands in and out. I've looked the Premiere file over and over and they are dead on, many of them very subtle.
Has you may or may not of noticed I tried to setup a theme. While the chess idea may have gone over your head or just isn't your cup of tea, it is still there.
Quoted from the video info:
"Cowboy Bebop suddenly came into the picture after I came to the realization that every character in the show gets sucked into their own inevitablity and perhaps their own doom.
The chess piece motif only seemed fitting, chess is a very tactical game and it can suck you right in. I also felt that the chess game was a great way to signify the progression of inevitability and their eventual end game. Every character in the show is a piece on the board and an unseen enemy is playing against them, that being time itself. So the idea spawned into the metaphorical playing chess with their time and how that "time is running out".
You may or may not notice that the color has been slightly drained and the whites are much brighter than the original footage. This was done to try to give the video certain feelings, the color draining gives it more of a uniform military look while the blown out whites give the undlying impression that things are out of control. "
The chess pieces are not designed to go with the lyrics, they are a story telling device, metaphors for our characters. Like everyone is a "pawn" in this game of life and death. And if you notice, everytime one of those chess pieces lands, the location it hits illuminates....right on beat. So while they are not lyrically matched, they are definitely on beat. Not all cuts have to be on beat, many of the on beat things I did were subtle.
If you play chess on a tournament level then you will understand that timed chess is very frantic and you are playing against the clock. I look at the song speaking of time, so the lyrics are referring to time and not some one or some thing, and if you try to picture in your mind all the characters of the bebop as chess pieces and imagine two chess players frantically trying to win then you will get it.
The chess piece at the end is the king, it signifies the goal, his target, the end/death...however you want to look at it. It is like he is rushing head long into where his fate is and that is his goal/the king/death.
I understand your point of view, the video is obviously not clicking for you, and that's fine. I know I can't please everyone nor am I trying to, but I am trying to show you what I was going for. I appreciate the criticism. It gives me pause to go back and try to look at the video another way.
"Your focus determines your reality."
- Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]
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720x480 isn't the problem. its the codec. You can acheive quite good results with 720X480 at respectable filesizes in Xvid/Divx. don;t beleive me? check my Laputa vid "Run away with me" which got all 10s for capture except for 1 9. Madbunny said it deserved an 11. It looks beter in the xvid file than it did on the original DVDs. It all depends on the type of footage and the codec being used. His problem is both.NME wrote:720x480 for an internet release is rubbish. FAILURE.
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First off, the footage is ripped straight from the DVDs, and the huffyuv file looks beautiful. Whether or not the internet version of the video looks perfect really doesn't make much of a difference to me. I tried going into DivX and Xvid, it looked pretty much the same, but the filesizes were around 100MB.
Bakadeshi, I am curious to hear how you go from Premiere to DivX/Xvid to achieve this great quality you are talking about. Also, none of the codecs have dealt with the black and white scenes very well at all.
Bakadeshi, I am curious to hear how you go from Premiere to DivX/Xvid to achieve this great quality you are talking about. Also, none of the codecs have dealt with the black and white scenes very well at all.
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- Jebadia
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Have you tried using smaller (more friendly) resolutions other than 720x480?TheNanashi wrote: I tried going into DivX and Xvid, it looked pretty much the same, but the filesizes were around 100MB.
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- Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]
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Actually when i said depends on type of footage, I ment more on how much action is going on in it. Xvid is better when more stuff is moving around on the screen.TheNanashi wrote: Bakadeshi, I am curious to hear how you go from Premiere to DivX/Xvid to achieve this great quality you are talking about. Also, none of the codecs have dealt with the black and white scenes very well at all.
As for your actual question, I do mostly what the guides say to do, I output the final video to full quality Huffyuv, then I take that and run it through a slow process in Virtualdub, where I run the SmartSmoother filter, and any other filters I deem nessisary to clean up the original DVD footage, Such as contrast/brightness and HSV tweaks, and output the resulting video to another full quality HuffYUV file. Then I take that file and encode to the final Xvid distro using the 2-pass method. You have to be carefull with the Smartsmoother, only use just enough harshness to remove the noise without removing too much quality that the video *looks* like it was overfiltered.
Smartsmoother doesn;t come with Virtualdub, but can be aquired from this site:
http://neuron2.net/
Its the same thing as MSmooth in Avisynth, but easier to use IMO since it has the preview option and a GUI.
- Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]
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- norskotaku
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I saw this one at Jacon, and it was one of my favorites of the videos shown. I didn't notice the quality issues at the con, though, so that must be something in this mpeg1 encode. like everyone else, I look forward to the divx file (even though I seem to get better results with xvid, myself).
720x480 is the dvd resolution, but read the guides and you'll see why it's not the best choice for putting your video online. heck, I had to learn that lesson myself. with all the work you put into editing the vid, you'll really want to learn as much as you can about compression so that you can get the highest quality possible for your online copies.
but back to the vid. love the theme you put together. the calm of the chess game mixed with the action of the series works well. (anyone who plays chess knows how intense a game can get while still looking calm and simply on the outside)
720x480 is the dvd resolution, but read the guides and you'll see why it's not the best choice for putting your video online. heck, I had to learn that lesson myself. with all the work you put into editing the vid, you'll really want to learn as much as you can about compression so that you can get the highest quality possible for your online copies.
but back to the vid. love the theme you put together. the calm of the chess game mixed with the action of the series works well. (anyone who plays chess knows how intense a game can get while still looking calm and simply on the outside)