Instrumentality 2 Music Genre Survey:

Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] · Post by **Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]** » Sun May 16, 2004 3:46 pm

I have a somewhat interesting idea maybe... what about doing something cultural based. Use a peice from each of our cultural background. (like spanish, german, oriental, american, italian, french, indian, westindian, irish... etc, if we even have that much of a diversity amongst our members) then again, some cultures may not have instrumental only music that is cultural specific, not too sure on that. Just a random idea that poped in my head.

ooshna · Post by **ooshna** » Mon May 17, 2004 1:11 am

Well i like the idea of the opera idea I just seen van hellsing today and it was great the music will fit perfectly into that catergory

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Mon May 17, 2004 1:42 am

On the opera bit..... Perhaps pick one opera, and make vids to each song!

rose4emily · Post by **rose4emily** » Mon May 17, 2004 7:05 am

Someone else just started a project for Pink Floyd's "The Wall" along those lines, and a few people in that thread expressed interest in AMV projects for whole albums in general. The idea of using a single opera would fall very much under those lines. There are a few complications, though, with doing that for one of these projects:

You'd have to get a single opera that a lot of people would agree upon - and, unlike rock/pop albums, it'd be hard to draw a crowd of editors already familiar with and enthusistic about any given opera.

Operas are really the original concept albums, and most of what could be gained by sticking to a single one would revolve around the lyrical themes of the opera, which would both drop the "instrumentality" level of the project even farther and add the complication of having to work off of translations.

For the audience to follow the opera, assuming that the opera would be in German (Wagner) or the more traditional Italian (most of the other classics), we'd have to either count on them knowing German or Italian (not likely) or produce subtitles. The subs would then really tear into the instrumentality of the project.

I've yet to hear an opera that's less than two hours long. If you wanted to do Wagner's "Ring of the Nibelung" (which has often been cited as being either a possible inspiration for or at least sharing a lot of similarities with Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, though perhaps primarily through the heavy draw both had from Norse mythology) you'd have to make 15 hours of video. That's even more than all the LOTR movies on end. It's an extreme example, but classic operas on the whole don't tend to come in small bytes.

If anyone is feeling really ambitious and would like to try making such a thing as a different sort of even-longer-term project with the translation (at least those are already done and easy to find for all the well-known ones) and subs, it'd have potential for being a really cool movie, and a great possible demonstration of the .ogm container format put to good use, I say go ahead with it. It's just a bit beyond the scope of what we're doing here, or what I'm ready to manage for that matter.

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The cultural montage sounds interesting as a variety peice. "Around the World in 80 Minutes", anyone?

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I think, perhaps, it would be a good idea to set up more than one, and just minimize the extent to which they overlap. There definately is more diversity than concensus of opinion so far of what we should do next, and doing it that way might not actually slow the process of making them by too much, as people who perhaps wouldn't have anything for one could be working on another instead of waiting for it to come around. Before that, though, I think I ought to be looking into buying another computer as a dedicated server to handle all the traffic and disk use that sort of thing will take up, and to allow for the distribution of the finished films.

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if you think you're computing resources are impresive, take a look at this article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3672887.stm

it's on WETA, the studio/special effects company behind LOTR, and the #3 supercomputer in the world. it also mentions that they'll be working on a release of "I, Robot" (Asimov's, I assume) which, along with the fact that they're supposed to be gearing up for a live action version of Evangelion (which is probably a few years off, but hopefully will be as awesome a rendition as their LOTR films - as opposed to the next incarnation of that dreadful 1999 release of Godzilla or a pipe dream that, like the film version of Ender's Game, tragicly fails to materialize - not that they were responsible for either of those sad failures.

Not trying to throw the whole thread off topic, just thought I'd mention it while it was on my mind.

Songbird21 · Post by **Songbird21** » Thu May 20, 2004 2:06 pm

I would like to suggest a new idea.

Instrumentality: Swing it! (or) Swing Kids!

This would be all high powered, instrumental big band music from the 40's. I am a huge swing music fan. A lot of the songs I have are upbeat and all instrumental.

If anyone would like a sample of what I mean I can upload a song to the project folder.

Oh, on a separate note. Count me in on this project too.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Thu May 20, 2004 2:24 pm

Anyway, I'm particularily enamored of the cultural montage bit. The only trick would be to cut it up enough (ala AniMix). Hell, if it was plotted right there could even be a mappish thing (I'm reminded of the travelling/map animations from Indiana Jones) between tracks. If we wanted to, we could even follow the trail from "Around the World in Eighty Days".

Yes, I'm interested. I've got a bit of a soft spot for folksy tunes.

kingmob_867 · Post by **kingmob_867** » Thu May 20, 2004 3:04 pm

okay so what are we doing Jazz? Opera? swing music? Personally I'm for opera since I'm curently doing Mario Lanza - Pagliacci Vesti la giubba. Come on now who's with me?. If any one else is interested in opera as well they better bone up on thier German or Itailn or french. Otherwise it's pointless to do.

Joykiller · Post by **Joykiller** » Thu May 20, 2004 3:12 pm

About the Opera idea, I got 3 words for ya.

Jesus Christ Superstar.

Hear me out here.

1) It's classified as a 'rock opera'.

2) It would be much easier to get people to give it a chance than classic opera with resect to the facts that:
i) It's in english
ii) It would likely be a little easier to time.

3) It would be completely diverse. The tracks on JCSS are greatly varied, so I think it would help spice things up a bit.

4) Most high schools have had productions of it, so more people will be able to relate to it I believe.

5) Because I dig it.

Failing that, I like the 'cultural montage' idea alot. Seems like it would be pretty spiffy except that the music might be difficult to obtain given the criteria. The idea about the trials and tribulations of man is also a pretty killer one. But none of the other ideas really did anything for me, honestly.

kingmob_867 · Post by **kingmob_867** » Thu May 20, 2004 3:53 pm

Joykiller wrote:About the Opera idea, I got 3 words for ya.

Jesus Christ Superstar.

Hear me out here.

SCREW YOU! Let's do a REAL Opera! I'm surprised you didn't say "Tommy" (ask your parents about it.)

Joykiller · Post by **Joykiller** » Thu May 20, 2004 9:11 pm

kingmob_867 wrote: SCREW YOU! Let's do a REAL Opera! I'm surprised you didn't say "Tommy" (ask your parents about it.)

Well real opera would be fine to. I have nothing at all against it. I can see that you are very passionate about it....

Sorry about the whole posting an opinion that wasn't the same as yours thing.

And I didn't say Tommy, because I don't particularly care for it. My parents wouldn't know what it is reguardless, so asking them would be pointless.

But yeah, screw me and my opinions. That's fair. Thanks for your thoughts about it.