For anyone who has no idea what this is about, I have an earlier (and much longer) thread going about an "Instrumental Anime Project" which is designed to somewhat mirror the idea of Disney's "Fantasia" in matching up classical and avant-garde instrumental music with imagery playing with the mood and "events" in the audio.
That project has been cut off in terms of taking on new editors, and everyone's already declared their spots for the segments of the first film, but I think it would be nice to start another one (as the first nears completion) for new editors and possible styles of music outside of the scope of the first project.
So i ask: any opinions on a musical theme for the next one? It could be:
instrumentality: a night at the opera (Opera - not instrumental, but close enough)
instrumentality: animasia 2 (more Classical/Jazz/Avant-Garde)
instrumentality: animasia waltz (western folk music)
instrumentality: animasian journey (eastern folk music)
instrumentality: midnight ravin' (Techno/Electronica)
instrumentality: of man (pieces assigned to characterstics of humanity - birth, death, love, hate, sadness, joy...)
instrumentality: six-string orchestra (electric/acoustic guitar-centric pieces)
instrumentality: spontanious fusion (Jazz/Blues/Fusion)
instrumentality: the spice of life (whatever, so long as it's instrumental)
or something else perhaps outside of or combining pieces of these ideas, and the names would hardly be set in stone, they're just what came to mind when I thought up the different concepts (and the "animasia waltz" and "animasian journey" titles are sort of a Yo-Yo Ma/Edger Meyer/Mark O'Conner in-references, while the "of man" title would be a real eva-reference, though it really wouldn't have that much to do with eva, except possible coincidental inclusion).
the first project should be coming out in early July, giving us time to really put together a finished product.
the second can start in a couple of weeks if an idea is settled upon and there are any takers.
anyhow - what would you like to work on next? what would you (even if you don't want to be an editor) want to watch most?
Instrumentality 2 Music Genre Survey:
-
rose4emily
- Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:36 am
- Location: Rochester, NY
- Contact:
Instrumentality 2 Music Genre Survey:
may seeds of dreams fall from my hands -
and by yours be pressed into the ground.
and by yours be pressed into the ground.
-
Otohiko
- Joined: Mon May 05, 2003 8:32 pm
Actually, ALL of those sound like great ideas to me.
My own interests probably lie closest to... guitar-oriented music, electronic, world music and fusion-jazz.
That said though, any of the things you mentioned would be just fine with me.
Another idea that I had a little while ago, which is sort of less instrumental, but I guess I might as well throw it out there - is an 'international music' project - which is to say, not instrumental, but a project to music in languages other than English. That could be an interesting one, too.
But anyway, I'm all for whatever other people think would be more interesting, if we're deciding from that list of themes.
My own interests probably lie closest to... guitar-oriented music, electronic, world music and fusion-jazz.
That said though, any of the things you mentioned would be just fine with me.
Another idea that I had a little while ago, which is sort of less instrumental, but I guess I might as well throw it out there - is an 'international music' project - which is to say, not instrumental, but a project to music in languages other than English. That could be an interesting one, too.
But anyway, I'm all for whatever other people think would be more interesting, if we're deciding from that list of themes.
The Birds are using humanity in order to throw something terrifying at this green pig. And then what happens to us all later, that’s simply not important to them…
-
rose4emily
- Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:36 am
- Location: Rochester, NY
- Contact:
I should add that it might be possible to do more than one as separate projects. The real concern there is a division of editors that might want to do both (because they'd be trying to do two things at once, and therefore might end up doing each of them half-way), and possible confusion between the two (if someone mixes up the two sets of guidelines or starts dumping stuff in the wrong parts of the server - that could be a problem).
If there isn't any strong response to this little RFC (Request For Comments), I'd personally like to go with the "Instrumentality: Of Man" idea because it'd allow for a wide range of styles but give a solid structure for arranging them and tying them together into a coherent whole, just as man is an arrangement of dissimilar pieces ties together into a coherent whole. Besides, it'd be a really good excuse for a "Thus Spake Zarathusra" video and possibly also a lighter one to "Blue Danube" to give a full nod to 2001 - the other really awesome (semi-)instrumental sound and pretty picture movie.
If there isn't any strong response to this little RFC (Request For Comments), I'd personally like to go with the "Instrumentality: Of Man" idea because it'd allow for a wide range of styles but give a solid structure for arranging them and tying them together into a coherent whole, just as man is an arrangement of dissimilar pieces ties together into a coherent whole. Besides, it'd be a really good excuse for a "Thus Spake Zarathusra" video and possibly also a lighter one to "Blue Danube" to give a full nod to 2001 - the other really awesome (semi-)instrumental sound and pretty picture movie.
may seeds of dreams fall from my hands -
and by yours be pressed into the ground.
and by yours be pressed into the ground.
-
Shadow Flare
- Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:56 pm
- Location: at my computer
-
rose4emily
- Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:36 am
- Location: Rochester, NY
- Contact:
Depends....
Where the whole guiding concept behind the "Instrumentality" is the creation of instrumental videos, the inclusion of people singing can get a bit iffy. If the voices are used in such a manner as to make tone and melody take precendence over the actual words so far as most listeners would be concerned, then I think most of the people already in on Instrumentality would agree that such music is "instrumental enough". The trick is defining that line.
I think there's some consensus that music in foreign languages (let me step into the role of an Amero-centrist who assumes English is the first and only language of everyone on the internet - seeing as how I'm already typing in it) would be generally passable as "instrumental", especially in the case of things like opera where the vocals also tend to be harmonically and/or melodically complex and bear very little resemblance to intelligable everyday speech. Vocal music that is in English, on the other hand, would be difficult to not listen to for the words - and I think that'd even apply to the folks here who aren't from the US/UK/Australia/Canada (is Australia in the UK? Can't remember, maybe it's a symbolic artifact like with Canada) considering the fact that we communicate almost entirely in written English (with some 1337, Japanese, and technical and colloquial acronymns thrown in). Maybe if the vocals are very few and far between (and difficult to decipher anyway) - as is the case for Otohiko's "The Wasteland", which is going into "Animasia", the First Instrumentality project. Maybe if the vocals are really flowery and don't cary much inherent meaning (damn, I think I just included the Backstreet Boys as passable artists) - and the song would still hold an audience should the vocalists be replaced with, say, a guitar, a piano, a violin, a theremin, a didjeridoo, or perhaps even an udu drum (there, no more boy bands).
I also know from "Animasia" that there are some split opinions on electric guitars and, even more so, drums. As a guitarist and drummer, I know where I stand, but there is a valid point in saying that some dude pounding out a little Buddy Rich (or Bill Ward, John Bonham, Ron Bushy, John Otto, or - God no - a rendition of what Ringo Starr would sound like if he was given a TR-707 instead of a Ludwig kit), accompanied by some other dude shredding out his best Van Halen imitation, sounds really out of place amidst 17th-19th century orchestral music. Sure, if Wagner had crossed paths with an electric guitar, a 38-piece double bass drumkit, and some really big speakers, Die Walkure would most likely have been the world's most epic power-metal album complete with screaching 9-minute solos and breathtaking stage pyrotechnics - but that's not how any of it historically happened. Consequently, if there are a lot of people with an interest in doing stuff like Joe Satriani's "Flying in a Blue Dream" or Steve Vai's rendition of Beethovin's 5th Symphony, we really should establish that sort of thing as the theme of the next project.
There are also people who've expressed interest in using Techno/Electronica music. Aside from the fact that the Electronica side of that equation is far to vast to really consider as a single catagory, we have another case where much said genres doesn't mesh too well with anything else unless explicity composed to do so, and even then I've heard enough dreadful 'club mixes' of classical songs to be wary of approving anything on that vein to which I have yet to listen. On the other hand, some Electronica is very intricate or expressive, so we once again have a case where a high level on intrest might warrent an electronica theme.
All this is why I'm probing around for what the next theme should be.
Where the whole guiding concept behind the "Instrumentality" is the creation of instrumental videos, the inclusion of people singing can get a bit iffy. If the voices are used in such a manner as to make tone and melody take precendence over the actual words so far as most listeners would be concerned, then I think most of the people already in on Instrumentality would agree that such music is "instrumental enough". The trick is defining that line.
I think there's some consensus that music in foreign languages (let me step into the role of an Amero-centrist who assumes English is the first and only language of everyone on the internet - seeing as how I'm already typing in it) would be generally passable as "instrumental", especially in the case of things like opera where the vocals also tend to be harmonically and/or melodically complex and bear very little resemblance to intelligable everyday speech. Vocal music that is in English, on the other hand, would be difficult to not listen to for the words - and I think that'd even apply to the folks here who aren't from the US/UK/Australia/Canada (is Australia in the UK? Can't remember, maybe it's a symbolic artifact like with Canada) considering the fact that we communicate almost entirely in written English (with some 1337, Japanese, and technical and colloquial acronymns thrown in). Maybe if the vocals are very few and far between (and difficult to decipher anyway) - as is the case for Otohiko's "The Wasteland", which is going into "Animasia", the First Instrumentality project. Maybe if the vocals are really flowery and don't cary much inherent meaning (damn, I think I just included the Backstreet Boys as passable artists) - and the song would still hold an audience should the vocalists be replaced with, say, a guitar, a piano, a violin, a theremin, a didjeridoo, or perhaps even an udu drum (there, no more boy bands).
I also know from "Animasia" that there are some split opinions on electric guitars and, even more so, drums. As a guitarist and drummer, I know where I stand, but there is a valid point in saying that some dude pounding out a little Buddy Rich (or Bill Ward, John Bonham, Ron Bushy, John Otto, or - God no - a rendition of what Ringo Starr would sound like if he was given a TR-707 instead of a Ludwig kit), accompanied by some other dude shredding out his best Van Halen imitation, sounds really out of place amidst 17th-19th century orchestral music. Sure, if Wagner had crossed paths with an electric guitar, a 38-piece double bass drumkit, and some really big speakers, Die Walkure would most likely have been the world's most epic power-metal album complete with screaching 9-minute solos and breathtaking stage pyrotechnics - but that's not how any of it historically happened. Consequently, if there are a lot of people with an interest in doing stuff like Joe Satriani's "Flying in a Blue Dream" or Steve Vai's rendition of Beethovin's 5th Symphony, we really should establish that sort of thing as the theme of the next project.
There are also people who've expressed interest in using Techno/Electronica music. Aside from the fact that the Electronica side of that equation is far to vast to really consider as a single catagory, we have another case where much said genres doesn't mesh too well with anything else unless explicity composed to do so, and even then I've heard enough dreadful 'club mixes' of classical songs to be wary of approving anything on that vein to which I have yet to listen. On the other hand, some Electronica is very intricate or expressive, so we once again have a case where a high level on intrest might warrent an electronica theme.
All this is why I'm probing around for what the next theme should be.
may seeds of dreams fall from my hands -
and by yours be pressed into the ground.
and by yours be pressed into the ground.
-
Otohiko
- Joined: Mon May 05, 2003 8:32 pm
Well, actually, 'of man' does sound interesting - maybe because it'll probably allow for a wider range of music than most of the other ideas.
As for electric guitars - well - I mostly live on electric guitars; and I'm a fan of Satriani, Vai and all those folks. In fact, I'd consider doing an AMV like that - just need an idea.
As for electric guitars - well - I mostly live on electric guitars; and I'm a fan of Satriani, Vai and all those folks. In fact, I'd consider doing an AMV like that - just need an idea.
The Birds are using humanity in order to throw something terrifying at this green pig. And then what happens to us all later, that’s simply not important to them…
-
rose4emily
- Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:36 am
- Location: Rochester, NY
- Contact:
Mmm...yeah - that's what I was thinking with the "Of Man" project. Even greater room for musical variety while wrapping it in a coherent context and forcing some balance in mood. "Animasia" seems, on the whole, to be a bit of a downer in terms of the video concepts and music choices. Then again, I just watched End of Evangelion last night, so virtually anything might now look happy in comparison.
Did anyone else in the other thread pick up on the post pointing to this one? It's kinda odd that this one has become more of a two-person conversation than an opinion poll.
Did anyone else in the other thread pick up on the post pointing to this one? It's kinda odd that this one has become more of a two-person conversation than an opinion poll.
may seeds of dreams fall from my hands -
and by yours be pressed into the ground.
and by yours be pressed into the ground.
-
Kalium
- Sir Bugsalot
- Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2003 11:17 pm
- Location: Plymouth, Michigan
instrumentality: a night at the opera (Opera - not instrumental, but close enough)
Doesn't this defeat the point of instrumental? Might work on its own, though.
instrumentality: animasia 2 (more Classical/Jazz/Avant-Garde)
If nothing else, this looks solid.
instrumentality: animasia waltz (western folk music)
I'm not sure this would work. Of course, if it was expanded to general instrumental folk it might work.
instrumentality: animasian journey (eastern folk music)
Same as for western folk. Actually, I think the two concepts might work best in tandem. Juxtaposition, and all that.
instrumentality: midnight ravin' (Techno/Electronica)
This actually sounds suspiciously like AniMix, just with no lyrics.
instrumentality: of man (pieces assigned to characterstics of humanity - birth, death, love, hate, sadness, joy...)
This would certainly be most interesting, but many classical pieces already fall into this.
instrumentality: six-string orchestra (electric/acoustic guitar-centric pieces)
Hm.... Relatively simple pieces, for the most part. Many lack the complexity found in other instrumental pieces.
instrumentality: spontanious fusion (Jazz/Blues/Fusion)
I don't know enough about either Jazz or Blues to comment.
instrumentality: the spice of life (whatever, so long as it's instrumental)
Why does this seems like a catch-all? Not that that's a bad thing. This would likely be the most vared project.
On a side note, I'm glad the name I coined got picked up so readily.
Doesn't this defeat the point of instrumental? Might work on its own, though.
instrumentality: animasia 2 (more Classical/Jazz/Avant-Garde)
If nothing else, this looks solid.
instrumentality: animasia waltz (western folk music)
I'm not sure this would work. Of course, if it was expanded to general instrumental folk it might work.
instrumentality: animasian journey (eastern folk music)
Same as for western folk. Actually, I think the two concepts might work best in tandem. Juxtaposition, and all that.
instrumentality: midnight ravin' (Techno/Electronica)
This actually sounds suspiciously like AniMix, just with no lyrics.
instrumentality: of man (pieces assigned to characterstics of humanity - birth, death, love, hate, sadness, joy...)
This would certainly be most interesting, but many classical pieces already fall into this.
instrumentality: six-string orchestra (electric/acoustic guitar-centric pieces)
Hm.... Relatively simple pieces, for the most part. Many lack the complexity found in other instrumental pieces.
instrumentality: spontanious fusion (Jazz/Blues/Fusion)
I don't know enough about either Jazz or Blues to comment.
instrumentality: the spice of life (whatever, so long as it's instrumental)
Why does this seems like a catch-all? Not that that's a bad thing. This would likely be the most vared project.
On a side note, I'm glad the name I coined got picked up so readily.
-
Otohiko
- Joined: Mon May 05, 2003 8:32 pm
I beg to differ - at least not if I'm on that project (as I surely would be)Kalium wrote: instrumentality: six-string orchestra (electric/acoustic guitar-centric pieces)
Hm.... Relatively simple pieces, for the most part. Many lack the complexity found in other instrumental pieces.
The Birds are using humanity in order to throw something terrifying at this green pig. And then what happens to us all later, that’s simply not important to them…