Plagiarism in AMV contests

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:48 pm

BogoSort wrote:
Corran Productions wrote:This is more of a personal thing. It doesn't have to be right.
So you're saying that animators, producers, directors, music artists, and the like aren't people? And thus they don't need to be asked like an amv creator like you claim?

O.o No, forget I even said anything... -_-

Starherd · Post by **Starherd** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:58 pm

[quote="Arigatomyna"][...Editors have lives the same way anime makers do, and believe it or not, but there are some who can't be contacted...][/quote]

I reserve the right to want people to try, though. Of course my wanting them to doesn't mean it'll happen, but it's the thought that counts, so I state my case.

I also didn't mean that anime creators and song creators shouldn't be contacted because they're far away or busy - I meant that it isn't strictly necessary. Contacting the video creators whose footage you want to use is also not strictly necessary, but it is *polite*, and makes for a friendlier vidding community.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:20 pm

Politeness is something to hope for, but it isn't enforceable - see the first 'forum specific rule'.

Proper documentation, however, is enforceable. If it's proven that a video takes cuts from another person's video without crediting the source, then it is a clear case of plagiarism. It's no longer a matter of politeness, or necessity, it's just simple documentation. If you use Naruto, you cite 'Naruto' as your source. If you use a specific editor's body of work for all of your editing, then you cite that person as the source of those effects and cuts.

We disqualify videos that don't properly name the anime or song/artist used. Why shouldn't those who steal from each other also have to credit their sources?

Quite frankly, I don't think any amv maker has a right to say "don't use clips from my video." So the idea of 'just ask' won't work. If the person says no, there's no reason the 'begger' can't go ahead and use it anyway - the footage itself is copywritten to someone else. The only thing the editor can say is "don't use my cuts, my effects, the things *I* added to this footage." Because those are the only things in an amv that the editor owns.

But I still hold that no one in any legal setting says you need someone's permission to quote that person. The only time it's an act of plagiarism is when the theif claims it is his own work. A simple citation is quick and easy, and changes it from outright lies and theft, to 'non-profit usage of the cited source.'

Rozard · Post by **Rozard** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:05 pm

MomochiZabuza wrote:let me just say one thing before i leave, i just changed it ok? now whos dedicated bitch

Starherd · Post by **Starherd** » Sat May 01, 2004 2:36 am

[quote="Arigatomyna"]...Proper documentation, however, is enforceable. If it's proven that a video takes cuts from another person's video without crediting the source, then it is a clear case of plagiarism. It's no longer a matter of politeness, or necessity, it's just simple documentation. If you use Naruto, you cite 'Naruto' as your source. If you use a specific editor's body of work for all of your editing, then you cite that person as the source of those effects and cuts.[/quote]

Um, your preaching to the choir. I'm here because my production group was plagiarized just as you described above, all by the same person, multiple times. The first time, she used clips that Kasra dis extensive editing on, and instead of crediting, left a "thanks to WTF Productions" at the end. When we called her on it - said, hey, you could've asked to use those - she not only refused to respond, she whipped up a vid entirely from Kasra's and Kumagarou's.

Who cares if somebody uses clips from your video that you didn't modify? They could've gotten those from anywhere. It's when they use your editing - your personal work - that's the problem that was being discussed, I thought.

Starherd · Post by **Starherd** » Sat May 01, 2004 2:50 am

[quote="Sephiroth"]So your saying crediting a musical artist and anime series without asking is ok because it's to hard to ask.[/quote]

No, I'm saying that it's not absolutely necessary to ask. Did you contact the publisher - or the author - every time you wrote a book report in school? No, but you did give credit to your source material.

[quote="Sephiroth"]Getting a scene from anther video is wrong because it's to easy...[/quote]

No, it's wrong because it's rude. If a person's put in their time and effort modifying footage, using it without asking them is just going to make them angry. Why not ask and keep the community functional and flamewar-free? Angry people tend to not leave constructive reviews, after all. You might even get something more than permission.

I'm impressed; you misinterpret me as swiftly and surely as my husband does. :D I beg pardon. I tend to type with a light heart, and I forget that there's people who will take every word literally and unsalted. If it makes you feel better, I'll amend it to "I am of the opinion that the easy way is wrong 99.99999% of the time" (since that statement seems to have gotten up your nose). Better?

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat May 01, 2004 4:22 am

Starherd wrote:Um, your preaching to the choir.

And you missed the point of what I wrote. ^_^

You're arguing a losing battle here instead of pushing for what there's actually a chance of getting on the site - an anti-plagiarizing rule based on the invalid documentation. You want everyone to have to ask permission first because it would be 'rude' not to, for the org to be a 'polite community' where everyone is considerate and courteous to each other. That's not going to be taken into effect. But if that's the way you want to go, good luck with that. Sorry your friend had vids stolen.

[And are you using some strange browser? Your quotes don't show up as quotes when I look at them - just the 'code' itself. I'd think it was just me, but everyone else's quotes seem to be working fine. o.O ]

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:01 am

he must have his BBCode disabled

Kamoc · Post by **Kamoc** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:41 am

he must have smilies off too

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sat May 01, 2004 10:31 am

Hmm...

The mighty DokiDoki contacted me a while ago asking if he wanted to use my entire Feel the Rhythm Series of amv titles in a title for his DDR project...

Though I wish the lazy bum would opinionate my worthless vids

I'm glad he asked me first. I NAMED mah vids damnit! ^_^

If you truely tried to contact the editor [which isn't hard on this site unless the editor was a lazy bastard. Hell, you can pm them here on the forum]
I'm sure you'd reach them eventually unless they don't want to be reached.

Just say you got your sources from: blah blah blah. I say I got my stuff from unlicensed digisubs unless otherwise specified. [people think I get some of my digisub source amvs from dvds... *shrug*]
Too bad there's actually a countable number of people beyond zero that do NOT know how to give credit due to extreme noobishness and lack of manners.