Questions on the JACON 2004 AMV Contest.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:51 am

Kwasek wrote:Now lets say Vlad plans on going, and enters a video. Last minute hoopla comes up and Vlad can't make it. However he wins a category in the contest, being prejudged. Now everyone that came might complain that he shouldn't win because it's required attendance. If he preordered his membership then we know for sure that he had intentions of coming to the con, and wasn't just entering his video into the contest for public distribution.

Me not come

... Naaa, Ian would kill me for sure...

Kwasek wrote: If you don't like it, take your videos to some other con, one that could possibly use them even. If you're not attending a con then I don't think you should enter.

I still think it's best to only enter to cons you attend.

Well, this is the part I can't agree with you... For some people it is impossible to come or they do not have the money to travel that far and I think it's unfair to say they have to be there just to enter a contest. Yea, I come to as many as I can that I enter, but not all of them. Coming from Canada costs a LOT of money, so I can sympathize with people who wish they could but still want their videos shown... Frankly I see nothing wrong with that. Why punish a good piece of work just because the creator lives on the other side of the world and can't come....

On the other hand, Conventions are entitled to stipulate the rules the way they want them. If most people agree there is no problem, if they don't, then they don't have to send it in...

Basically, it's a free "Continent" and both the con and the contestant are entitled to their opinions...

Vlad

Jimmyen · Post by **Jimmyen** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:49 am

I don't see the point in entering a contest if you don't plan to be there to see your video played.
Furthermore, I like that Jacon basically stipulates that creators ought to try to be in attendance. It makes things more fun to be in the audience WITH your peers.

AMV Editors get far too high and mighty about their position in the world.

There are all manner of cons running all around the continent and even around the world. It isn't that hard or exceedingly expensive to make it to one or two of them. I don't actually see why you'd want to be at more. Frickin' tiring.

Frankly, I hate seeing the same videos at cons over and over, as well. If everyone only submitted to the cons they attended, there'd be an awful lot more diversity among the entrants. The lesser known editors (whom I'm to assume all this hullaballoo is on behalf of, since it's not as though Vlad or Machine or DannyWilson et al are in any particular way unknown) would likely fare a lot better if videos that have already been shown at so many cons weren't there to occupy screen time.

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:34 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:For some people it is impossible to come or they do not have the money to travel that far and I think it's unfair to say they have to be there just to enter a contest.

Remember, not everyone has the free time. It is hard for people to attend those things when:

They have no means of personal conveyance.
Their parents won't take them.
They have military or other obligations.
No con for several hundred miles... yes these places exist.

When I was joining the military I hoped to get a video finished before leaving and submitting it to a con. I would have loved to go but I doubt the TI's in Basic Training would let me.

Most enter contests not only to win but to have their work publically displayed. I'm sure everyone(well almost everyone) that submits a video would love to personally be there to see it get played on the big screen.

Still, if they are on there own without obligations then paying a bunch of money:
to travel to a city in another state
a hotel room
and entry fees
is quite a lot for the a 4 minute experience if that is all they would look forward to.

Bote · Post by **Bote** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:44 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:
Coming from Canada costs a LOT of money, so I can sympathize with people who wish they could but still want their videos shown... Frankly I see nothing wrong with that. Why punish a good piece of work just because the creator lives on the other side of the world and can't come....

Quite true. I want to enter some of the other cons. that'll take place in July or August since I reckon I'll finish by then, but paying 400-500 euros for plane ticket? You ain't gonna see me dew that

. Peh, costs quite a lot when you live in Europe and want to come to US. Not to mention other expences. It's like a 3 week summer holiday in Greece, only I'd rather pay for swimming in Aegean sea

.

paizuri · Post by **paizuri** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:45 am

Why is this coming up now? These are the same rules as last year's and people didn't seem to bat an eye. There are no global rules for AMV contests. The contest coordinator lays down the rules and people follow them. If you don't, your video is disqualified. End of story.

There are much smaller cons that are always dying for videos. Just send to one of them. Hell, JACON isn't even the only con in Florida if you're worried about all of those anime fans down there who are being deprived the pleasure of seeing your video.

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:55 am

I'm not complaining. I am going to Jacon as well.

I'm just trying to open minds...

Kwasek · Post by **Kwasek** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:26 am

Same here, I was trying to show Machine a reason for a con to do something like that. I can understand people not being able to attend cons and such. That's why I mentioned entering into other cons that could use it. I know many of you have seen the posts or recieved emails from other cons around the country in need of videos.

However, some cons want there own personalized contest. I happen to like the action of Jacon's rules. All new material and a way to try to have the editors present. Especially after AWA8 Master winner wasn't in attendance, it's a let down for the crowd, at least it was for me. The way Jacon's contest is now makes the actual event very enjoyable and runs very smoothly.

Instead of complaining about a con's guidelines you don't agree with, just don't enter into it. If enough people feel the way you do then the contest cordinator would realize there contest won't work and would have to change the rules. As Paizuri stated, not much, if anything, has changed in this contest since last year.

Machine · Post by **Machine** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:18 am

Well, I can see your reasoning behind the purchase of membership to make sure that everyone who enters is there.

But at the same time, why not jsut ask the simple question:
Will you be attending the CON? If that person says no, the the video head should keep that under consideration. If yes, then everything is fine.

Why the whole thing of having to purchase a weekend badge simply to let your video be played. I know this is the second year that this is happening, that's why its surprising to me. I can understand one year of it..but now two??

Even AWA doesn't do that for their masters. Sure some people may not be there but their videos still get played. It's obviously not Matt's fault that the AWA8 masters winner wasn't there.

Another reason I bring this up now is because my situation along with a few other people is still pending on whether or not I'll be able to make to JACON. I may be flying or driving there from Texas...or maybe not go at all. I'm not going to know until a week or two before JACON. This doesn't really give me a chance to enter a video unless having payed the badge fee.

And if I buy the badge over the net, how will i know if I will still being able to show up even after I've purchased a badge? The deadline is April 30th via FTP right?

Can someone then elaborate on this for me?

Machine · Post by **Machine** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:21 am

Hang on, I read Kwasek's previous post on page 1.

Although say Vlad had the intentions of coming...that still seems as an entry fee more along the lines of a contest's insurance policy.

If he couldn't make it, I'm sure JACON wont care since they already got his membership/entry fee.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:57 am

Machine wrote:I know this is the second year that this is happening, that's why its surprising to me. I can understand one year of it..but now two??

It's not surprising given the quality and number of entries submitted to JACON regardless of this rule. As Kwasex said, if people disagree, don't submit and in turn, if the contest suffers, snackpants will have to change the rules to accomodate.

At the same time, since he gets plenty of quality entries and plenty of editors being present, he doesn't need to accomodate or beg for entries. In fact, next to Otakon, this was probably the 2nd best contest I've seen in terms of the quality of entries.

It's quite simple in reality, if you don't agree with the rules, don't submit. It's their contest and they're free to run it however they want and you in turn are free to follow them or go elsewhere. And afterall, it is just a contest and it's not like there aren't literally hundreds to submit to if you wanna just see your video or whatever.

I wonder if snackpants will reply since I imagine he could elaborate further on his rules (not that I think any coordinator needs to justify their rules for their own contest).