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Post by Otohiko » Tue Apr 27, 2004 6:04 pm

alright

I sent another 10-second animation demo. I wonder if anyone who has experience with frame-by-frame editing can give me some advice or criticism here - I clearly like the 2nd one better. I'm really not sure if they're workable enough for inclusion in the actual thing :roll:
The Birds are using humanity in order to throw something terrifying at this green pig. And then what happens to us all later, that’s simply not important to them…

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Post by AznRAVEr1022 » Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:17 pm

rose4emily - uh, it's a finished video, unless you want me to tweak it or something? and the borders are intentional. I originially juss added a light glow and color corrections and then later on applied a glow to the black borders (which are now cut in the final piece) and tried to make it seem almost like a moving portrait. it's kinda subtle so i don't really think a lot of people understood that.

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Post by rose4emily » Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:19 pm

Otohiko - if you can do anti-aliased edges on Spike's shoulder, or else perhaps just a 1-2px radius Gaussian blur on that area, it might look a little less like a South-Park style stack of layers in that region. Other than that i can't see a single thing wrong with it - definately one of those video moments to make people think "wow" (the last one I saw was the dancing eyebrows in the "Shameless Rock Video", simple compared to some of the other stuff in that video, but really one of those genius touches, too bad I hadn't seen that one earlier on. The one before that would be the entrance of the eye and vocoder-like speech in "Wasteland", so you seem to know how to construct and frame these). I can't imagine anyone making a whole video like that, but it'd be great intro or finale or other such point of interest.

Anubsx - just what kind of quality problems are you seeing? You mention that the video looks darker, but is it a brightness thing, a contrast thing, a dull color pallate, blurring, blocking, visible pixels along shapes' edges...? Knowing exactly what's wrong might lead to the best solution.

I've decided to start watching artsy commercials as an added source of technical inspiration for future works. I keep seing ones that I now know would be really simple (at least conceptually) to construct, but really frame a cool, non-intrusive use of effect. I don't like messing with frequent scene cuts and think flashes and polygon patches are reaching their saturation point, so I have to keep thinking of other stuff to do instead.

Wow. I just got on a Windows machine, and my anime pages look worse than I could have imagined in IE. Too bad, because they have a wonderful feel of simple beauty and beautiful simplicity in Mozilla. Now I have to give up my oath of sticking to java-script free XHTML 1.0 Strict/CSS only pages and investigate browser sniffing. Still feels ironic that software developed primarily by volunteers once again proves superior to that made entirely by income-earning professionals.

Ironically (and of coincidental relation to both of the last two paragraphs), earlier today I heard someone in the halls telling a friend about how their Mac crashed while they were in the middle of a paper, and did all sorts of other screwy stuff, and how they wished they were on Windows. I think I might have just encountered the anti-Feiss.

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Post by Otohiko » Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:36 pm

Oh yea, for improving the look of your footage, there's all sorts of non-frame-by frame things you could try, particularly with AVS. I wasn't happy with my Spriggan footage, either, until I ran some pre-processing tweak filters to fix what I wasn't happy with.

/pulls out Bebop DVD's.

Well, looks like time to watch a whole series for me now...
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Post by ooshna » Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:00 pm

Anyone see my 30secs of crap video?

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Post by pen-pen2002 » Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:53 pm

Anubisxx - I see the pictures (I'm using Mozilla Firebird) and all I can say is I feel your pain. I don't know what it is about the region 2's but theres no amount of proccesing that will make yours as good as that. It's darker, the colors are of and the contrast is lower. But most importantly it's blurry to the point where a lot of the details that can be seen in Otohikos version simply aren't there anymore.

Otohiko - I love the demos, awesome work. As for the song I really like the rythem although I don't care for the melody in the first minite for some reason. The rest of the song is awesome and I can't wait to see what you do with it. As for the second demo The effects on spike might look better if they were on the background. Is there any way to change spike's expression/posture/anything at least once (twicew would be ideal) when the music jumps to a higher pitch. It could be subtle but it would make it a ton more life like.

aznRAVEr - if you wanted to emphisize the portrit idea you could put up some kind of border. It would have to be subtle though and not distract from the video. As far as tweaks, the only thing I would suggest is to be very carefull with your use of black and white. Try to find a specific purpose or meaning to it's use and limit yourself to that because you use it so much it's impact is lessened, and there's places I couldn't figure out why like when everyones cheering. The part where she wresled the dragon had to be my favorite use of that effect in that video.

ooshna - I did! I love betas so it's always a thrill to see a new one go up. Other than interlace and compresion artifacts the video is turning out very well. I love how you use fades almost like an instrument to mach the violin. And the motercycles fit perfectly with the faster paced theme. You also did a good job with the back and forth, building tension. I really like where this is going. It's not telling a story and it's not action but rather it seems to potray the music visually. keep it up, I look forward to your next beta.
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Post by NeoQuixotic » Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:36 pm

Sorry about all the posts I tried to show images in, not sure why they don't show up in IE. I tried Firebird and did see them like you said Pen-Pen. I'm completely new with AVS so I barely know what I'm doing :? . I'll continue reading the guides and would love if anyone could give me tips on improving visual quality.

In all reality I'm just happy with the quality of the footage I have. Only a few scences stick out as bad, but then again I don't have those Uber quality DVDs that Otohiko's friend has. (Maybe I should buy them ^_^ only $50 bucks and S&H) But need R2 drive, hmm, (could crack mine or my spare drive!)

Well I'll continue working on editing and maybe obtaining those remastered digital telecine DVDs. Props to everyone elses WIPs!
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Post by AznRAVEr1022 » Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:49 pm

pen-pen--actually there was a story behind the use of the black white, its not random, but i forgot why. i think it was to emphasize the contrast between the sad chihiro and happy chihiro or something like that i forgot (sorry i've had too many iron butterflies since then).

Also, i couldn't possibly remake the video right now with the same quality because i deleted all my files and vobs. but i promise that my next video will be something totally different. as soon as SAT's and AP's are done thats all im gonna do ^_^.

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Post by ooshna » Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:52 pm

Ok I ripped the vobs to my hdd then i made a dvd2avi file and made the avs then I made a bad quality video of the avs using the PICVideo mjpeg codec. Now I need to know if I can do the bait and which using premiere 6.02 or if I need 6.5

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Post by ooshna » Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:01 am

Ok I got the avs plunin working and I got my adio file to goto 24fps. Now do I need to put the force 24fps in my AVS file and then make and AVI out of it or will the 23.976 avi work for editing?

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