Instrumental Anime Project

pen-pen2002 · Post by **pen-pen2002** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:24 am

ooshna wrote:I am going to do Schizm using Akira I have alot of ideas in my head and hopefully I can get them to work out well tonight I will convert the dvd to divx.

I wouldn't use DivX for that if I were you. It's not an editing codec so you'll have trouble with frame specific editing. Also it erases a lot of data and you will have to compress twice so your final quality will be kind of crappy. Check the guides and your AMV will turn out much better in the end.

anubisx00 - It sounds fine to me as the vocals are choral in nature. An interesting addition actually, not to mention a very nice song.

aznRAVEr - Is a boy I knew a finished piece? It's in the in-progress folder and I was wondering if you were considering tweaking it. I know you want to start something new but I'd be happy to give you my oppinion if you want it.

Otohiko - You can never have to many dark AMV's. *looks at list of favorite anime* wait, I'm seeing a pattern here. I'm curios about this new song but I can find it on my collage server

You not completly alone in your musical taste though. 7 people had about 10 KC songs each.

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:42 am

ok, i redid the timings and it looks like i have an huffy that matches a sped up version of clair de lune. i'm just trying out avs filters that will clean up the footage now. msharpen seems to work well, and i'm trying to figure out some others.

but now i gotta get back to homework. which i so wisely pushed back to fix my video.

rose4emily · Post by **rose4emily** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:27 am

Pen-Pen/AznRaver: Yeah, it's hard to tell if someone's 'done' with a video or not, so I put them in the W.I.P. folder until I hear otherwise. It's always possible that someone (Otohiko) will want to do a few remasters and little tweaks to enhance a video that very well could be considered complete already.

BTW - Pen-Pen, I just remembered that you owe me an op on "Flying Motionless Above the Waves". I think I'll let it slide, though, seeing as how you say you've been sucked into some big multi-editor project that really cut down on your reviewing time.

DownWithPants: If the Huffman works, great. I don't think anyone will detect any pitch difference from a slight pace-change of a song, so I'd suggest using a non-pitch-preserving method of slowing the piece to avoid all sorts of ugly fourier artifacts (the same things that cause the funny overtones on piano notes and cymbals in mp3 files).

Ooshna: I'd personally suggest editing in Huffman or a PNG sequence, depending on your tools and process. I'm quickly becoming a fan of the PNG sequence, because it allows for text-based editing of the microtiming and all sorts of single-frame painting control (great for remastering the DivX source I am myself stuck with using for time being), but the Huffman codec puts the whole thing in one easily managed file as opposed to several thousand, so each has its advantages. If you can't get your DVDs to rip directly into one of these lossless formats with the tools you have, make a REALLY high quality DivX and then convert it to a lossless codec before doing any edits, as most compositing situations (including fade transitions) and effects require not one but two or more re-encodings in a lot of video editors if you are editing using compressed media as source, and each re-encoding contributes to a cumulative loss of data like a video equivalent of radioactive decay.

If the project is really long, it'll be made into a set of files. Imagine trying to get the A&E production of "Pride and Prejudice" (or all three "Lord of the Rings" films, for those who aren't Jane Austin fans) on a single disc or tape - just wouldn't happen. Same thing with this - no single file larger than a CD will be created.

ooshna · Post by **ooshna** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 6:38 am

Ok I have the video converted to two 600mb files compressed with divx I'll use virtualdub and convert it to huffman and then use that as the file to edit the only problem I have is render time. How will using this codec effect it? I had a really bad time trying to render my techno song getting under 1fps on the rubberbanded parts with divx. What should I aspect with huffman or any lossless codec?

ooshna · Post by **ooshna** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 6:43 am

Nevermind I do not have the disk space for using huffy. One half of Akira will take 15GB, until I get a a new drive I'll have to stick with divx.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:02 am

pen-pen2002 wrote: I'm curios about this new song but I can find it on my collage server

It's sitting in the inbox - makes me wonder when it'll get moved

ooshna - well, editing divx is by far NOT a good idea, but if you don't have space for huffYUV, have you considered AVS editing? Or are you using a program other than premiere?

Generally, AVS editing is ideal in terms of space-to-quality-to-speed ratio - unless you're bold enough to do bait-and-switch...

If I work with a longer series though, I might go back to my HuffYUV methods - helps me concentrate. I have serious problems finding what I need and getting distracted when I have too much to work with.

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FAQ - maybe that should be tacked on to the project page? Would probably help.

Actually, this thread already seems like a whole forum in itself

pen-pen2002 · Post by **pen-pen2002** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:15 am

Jasper-Isis - The video makes a lot more sense to me now. The story is very complicated so you won't get across details but you conveyed the spirit of it. You could try to make it more obvios somehow that theyre trying to get maried or you could put something in at the very end to show she's still alive (I wasn't sure.) But I kind of like the confution of the second half. It really adds to the drama. So it depends on wether you want "Oh my god that was scary" or "man that's tragic" you might have both depending on wether they've seen the series. Maybe I should check it out. I thought it looked happy and fluffy, but if there's more stuff like that I might be interested.

ooshna wrote:Nevermind I do not have the disk space for using huffy. One half of Akira will take 15GB, until I get a a new drive I'll have to stick with divx.

Ha! I export with the original high quality VOB's and my hard drive is only 18 gigs! Here's how: You rip your DVD useing DVDdecrypter (or pieces of one if your low on space.) It should only be around 6 GB or so for a full DVD. Do you have more than one? If so find just the VOB's (1 GB each) that cotain the movie and get rid of any special features. then create a DVD2AVI project file (less than a megabyte) and create an avisynth script for that that remove interlacing if needed and does whatever other pre proccesing you want. Open it in Vdub and make a compressed version using a codec that has every frame as a keyframe (NOT DivX) PICvideoMJPEG is best. put quality at 5 or 6. Once you have done this you can delete the VOB's (saving all that space.) Once you have done this for all your source you make a music video with the compressed avi (it will look crappy) when your done, or if you want a WIP

just re rip the dvds to the same folder and substitute the Avisyth file for the AVI in premire (or whatever you use.) Viola! Wonderful quality and you hardy even need to make preview renders because the editing is nearly realtime. Hope that helps. This is the bait and switch Otohiko refered to, and it works perfectly.

See guides for details.

ooshna · Post by **ooshna** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:59 am

pen-pen2002 wrote: Wonderful quality and you hardy even need to make preview renders because the editing is nearly realtime.
See guides for details.

Orgasm

I'll try that out I hate rendering so much. I am uploading what I got done with my divx source its only like 30 secs but can someone tell me if it looks ok?

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:02 am

Sure... just as soon as rose4emily moves it to the outbox.

Bait-and-switch does sound very attractive. I just tend not to trust technology, so I avoid it, fearing that I screw up

But, as I did with AVS editing, I'll probly get around to it one day.

And, if you want the official guide description of how to do bait-and-switch, go here:

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... etb.html#3

rose4emily · Post by **rose4emily** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:41 am

Files moved, permissions set.

Concerning the "A Boy I Knew" video: why the black border? Is that just a side effect of the tools or process it was made with, or is it intentional? Since it's on all sides it seems to me to be something of a waste of screen and file space that could be filled by the actual picture in the video.

It does also make me wonder about the .wav vs .mp3 audio for these videos. Normally, you'd want to use .mp3 for wider playback availability and better compression, but where we have to stitch these together, the .wav starts to make sense. I know that some of us are limited in our choice of video codec, but I think the .wav/.mp3 option is pretty universal, so we might want to call a standard on it. Any opinions?

I'm still rooting for editing a .png sequence (about 1GiB for the 13+ minutes of footage in ThirdStone) myself - the picture stays really clean, the extra editing power is incredable, and there's no way to be more frame-specific than storing each frame in a separate file. It's not really something you would rip to, but it's a great way to work with the video after cutting the clips you plan to use out of your original source. Then again, maybe the real reason I like it so much is that I can rearrange, re-use, and skip over them by editing a text file instead of messing with an actual video editor every time I want to make a three-frame edit. Kinda like avoiding code builders and WYSIWYG(sort of) web design packages.