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Post by Otohiko » Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:15 pm

Editing fast? Hah! No, I find it rather slow... it's just that I'm spending too much time with this, and not enough studying for exams :roll:

I've tried out DWP's suggestion with the fade to black things, and I think it actually does work.

I'm working on another render, a lower-res 2-pass DivX one right now - which should be upload-quality. I'll see how it comes out, but if it's good - I'll send that in to replace the current 1.99...

Speaking of which... when it's done, I assume I should just wait for the whole project to be released?
Or is it a good idea to get it on the donut?
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Post by Otohiko » Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:57 pm

Alright, after the resizing went ok - 1.99 is no longer needed, now there's 2.0d (yes, you can delete the previous one now).

My view is that I'm done with the video. But I'll let the larger project community decide what I should do next:
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a) if the video is good as-is, release video now through the donut

b) if the video is good as-is, hold off releasing until the entire project is complete, and provide a top-quality encode for project purposes

c) if the video is not good as is - well... how about some more tweaks?

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Meanwhile, I'll try to get off major editing for this week and concentrate on exams :roll:

But to compensate for that, I'll gladly be more involved in feedback to others' WIP and brainstorming for future ideas. I think we're on the right track, just keep at it now...
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Post by rose4emily » Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:34 pm

Otohiko's v2.0 is now available for download.

I am male, for anyone who was wondering, and chose the handle after the name of an old Zombies (60's British rock band) tune, which was in turn named after an older short story by William Faulkner that a friend of mine, who happened to be named Emily, thought sounded really sweet until she read it. Read it yourself to find out why.

I'm glad to hear that the general idea behind the newest incarnation of Third Stone is getting a good response. Don't worry, I know it needs a lot of refinement before it's done, I just wanted to test the general look of it since it's such a departure from anything else I've seen or done. I also think I'll try to put the brightness filter curve between two contrast curves, and not just over one, to help bring out some definition in some of the most heavily whitewashed scenes.

Pen-Pen - the sig looks great. Thank you.
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Post by Otohiko » Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:02 pm

Of course, I had to be all 'elite' about it, and make my own version :roll:

rose4emily: are you getting close to 1.3 yet? Or would it be useful for me to try and run through the current version in any sort of detail right now?
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Post by pen-pen2002 » Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:41 pm

Bakadashi - Got that review of the WIP done, If your still reading this topic. Check your PM and tell me if you got it. Oh and you should join the project. *uses evil peer presure attack of doom*

We might think of having some sort of teaser since this is going to be a hefty download. We already have DWP's vid out there although he hasn't really been pimping it. :wink:

Also DWP mentioned lipsynching, I think it would be a wonderful idea to each record something pretty short for our video ( as well as we could with the recording instruments that we can scrounge up) and then trade them around and have someone else lipsynch it. So you would do your own video introduction but have no control whatsoever over who speaks it. :P

I have been doing more and more with effects in premiere so I think I could handle the flying screens introduction and other between video spiffyness. If fact maybe I could use the background from Fantasia and just replace the video in the screens, hmmm....

Otohiko - I like the banner although I'm confused as to why it displays side by side with the wasteland sig on the last page and stacked vertically everywhere else. The Angel's Redemption sig maybe? Anyway I uploaded the Photoshop file if anyone wants to mess around with and/or personalize it. I'm keeping the darker version cause it fits with my philosophy on anime, "If it doesn't make me question my sanity, why watch it?"

On to Ararat. The first thing I notice in the new encode is... it's um, well... Oh my god I think it's done! Wow, it's incredibly satisfying to see an AMV evolve this way and see your own suggestions being implemented. As for release I think you should hold on to it if you can bear to do so because I have faith that this AMV will be very well received, especially among the more artistic crowd that has seen "The Wasteland." If you release it now people might be less inclined to download the whole project. I'm not set in stone though, I'd like to hear other opinions/reasonings.
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Post by downwithpants » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:21 pm

cool banners, but are we calling the project fantasia or animasia?
i'll try to watch some more vids tomorrow + play with the photoshop.

also, if we go with the lip synch idea and someone lips me to dbz, i kill you. (j/k... or am i??? :twisted: )
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Post by NeoQuixotic » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:06 am

I just went ahead and sent an e-mail to join up. Not sure what I will do yet, but lots of ideas goin in my head. I'll would be more than happy to just help out in previewing and giving opinions ^_^! Oh yeah, rose4emily, I had to read that short story in school and write a paper about it. Its a very strange story I would say. Also I was wondering what anime people are using, I don't want to use one being overdone. Currently all I have is Evangelion footage ready to use. Must say that Wasteland has kind of inspired me! However, I hope I don't need video quality quite as good as Wasteland to join. (I'm a DivX nub, hehe :lol: )
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Post by rose4emily » Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:55 am

Anubizx00: If you needed a video as good as Wasteland to join, I'd have to leave the project. :)

Otohiko: Third Stone v1.3 is a while off, largely because of the process I'm using to refine it, so any input you have on how to build from or avoid mistakes from v1.2 would be great. Will see the finished Ararat tonight, probably - I've been a little tied up the past couple of days with some software documentation and specification assignments. If you want to release Ararat now, you certainly have a right to do so, but I do think that it might be just the 'teaser' - as Pen-Pen put it - to get people to see the rest of this project. Since the videos all stand on their own, I think each of them would be a great way to draw attention to the larger project, which you could all put in as a Direct or Indirect (when I make a webpage for the finished project) link to my server. Oh, and I'd be thrilled to include Wasteland - the only reason I've been tentative on that is that I didn't know whether you wanted to put it in the project.

DownWithPants: Damn, you have a point. We really can't just call it "Fantasia" can we, any more than we could call it "Grave of the Fireflies" or "Eva", I guess. I don't know how long it takes to make those banners, though, so maybe the project's name has finally been decided. Or maybe not, as the banners describe what the project is supposed to be like, and don't necessarily have to have the same text as the project name, come to think of it.

DownWithPants (again): Any chance of exporting Tomoe in a .avi or .dv format? It's been a while since I've used WMM, but I think those were options. I only ask because every time I try to convert it to an XviD or DivX .avi with mencoder I get a segmentation fault - something that's happened with about 1 in 3 .wmv files I've encountered lately. If you can't I can always try installing transcode, which is supposedly more powerful, or asking someone else to handle it, but I figured it might be best to give control over the conversion process to the creator on this one. I don't really care if the upload is huge, I've got space for it now and I always intended to take large files for the final versions of each vid to minimize loss on the final compilation and encode.

Pen-Pen: I'm not so sure about having a different voice and narrator for each segment (though I suppose they did do it that way for Fantasia2000), but I love the idea of using the Fantasia background and then matting our videos onto the screens. We might have to use some artsy title panes on some videos where the first-second action is critical, but I think that would look great. I did a (very crude) version of this myself in a half-finished video for Dire Straits' "Money for Nothing" that I put on hold for this project, using a clip of the movers in front of the screen as a transition point between different scenes just as the original video did. As I said, my version is very crude and unfinished, but I know what you're talking about and think it could really add something to this project as a way to tie the individual segments together.
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Post by Otohiko » Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:50 am

The Wasteland... ah...

When will people stop quoting it for video quality :oops: I've said this before, and I'll say it again: the original is a LAZY, LAZY encode that accidentally came out good. It's compressed from a premiere-made, poorly-deinterlaced higher quality XviD encode. Double compression. Don't try it at home, folks :roll: If you want to see that video encoded right - check out the 97-meg version on the project's FTP. That one's done right... :P

On the good side, once those LAZY, LAZY ( :wink: ) admins process that delete request, there will be a smaller yet much nicer encode of it on local, at last...

/end rant about my own video (again)

Actually, it'd be great to have that video as part of a project. Even on a practical level, it's definitely of benefit to both (there's people who liked it who will become interested in the project, and people who are interested in the project who could get to like it.)

As for Ararat, I think I'll probably hold off the release for now, since the project is underway fine, but it looks like it'll take some time before it's done. But once we get closer to having the whole thing together, it might be a good time to release it as a promotional sort of thing.
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Post by pen-pen2002 » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:44 pm

Here's how I stand on the name: I don't think it would be equivalent to calling a project Evangelion since eva is a completely contained work. Fantasia on the other hand is the name of a performance that was intended to be preformed with new music each time. Also Eva is a story while fantasia is a collection of musical pieces with matching animation which is exactly what were doing. We are essentially making a Fantasia 2004 whereas an Eva video isn't by any means a sequel. Does anyone agree with that?

Here I have a variety of modified banners that we can decide on or modify or whatever. I will put up the Animasia on but I would prefer if people didn't use it because I think it's inferior.

If the general consensus is against me however I will go with whatever we agree on as a whole (although different banners for everyone would be cool so we don't have to be too specific - I'll probably make some new ones once the project inclusions are more defined.)

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As far as releasing vids. I like the Idea of releasing Ararat when the project is nearing completion. We should keep at least a few for the premiere of the whole thing though. Ideally we would have one video that everyone wants to see that isn't released individually until a few days after the project. Sort of like the hit single on a new CD (Why not emulate evil corporations, they're rich aren't they? :wink: )
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