Forum authority...

[kthulhu]

*dons special non-deletion armor*

I have mentioned it before, and I think it is time to say it again. I think the forum needs a shot of multiple authority ASAP, namely, more active mods. We need some mods who interact with the people and have a constant presence, and we need enough to have 24/7 forum coverage. Tonight (August 30th-August 31st), 3 members have gone on a spamming rampage. With more mods "on the clock and on patrol", as it were, we wouldn't have to suffer through this.


Right now Phade is the primo top dog to go to with problems, which is fine, and we have a shadow mod floating around who seems mildly overwhelmed or somewhat disinterested in the forum, unfortunately (probably overwhelmed, but you never know ). I think what I'm saying is that, in regards to the forum, Phade needs to delegate control to more people, I'm sorry to say. We have close to or above 30,000 registered members, with about 100-200 active forum users, and at least a handful of obnoxious types who are more. Phade and 1 or 2 shadow mods does not seem to be enough anymore.

What we need are people who can do the following:

1. Delete threads or comments
2. Institute small bans (up to 3 days, maybe?), and talk to Phade about longer bans if necessary.
3. Interact with other forum users and create a "presence" as it were.

I know the reasons why we haven't done this yet are due to worries about personal vendettas and power abuse, and Phade understandably does not want to give control to people he doesn't know personally.

Regarding personal vendettas, this is a worriesome concern. If a mod were to ban someone for whatever reason, that person could talk to Phade, or even better, talk to another, unbiased and perhaps sympathetic mod. Personal vendettas happen, and there are bad apple incidents, but it goes with the territory.

As for Phade not wanting to hand out control, it IS entirely his call. But other forums do it, as a control measure, and it seems to work. There are few pointless topics, troublesome users get taken care of faster and better, and bad posts are deleted.

Anyhow, these are ideas to mull over, whoever wishes to do so, and hopefully they'll lead to some changes for the better. Still, Phade's call, and he is beyond free to disregard this thread or *gulp* delete it if he so wishes.

Post any comments or ideas you may have about this dissertation.

[XenoDrake]

i seem to remember saying something like that

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... php?t=1535

but as you can see, it got no where. i just think that the shadow mods need to GET OVER their fear of being flamed and remember that this is an ONLINE FORUM where people can post their ideas and thoughts, and in NO WAY can it possably hurt you unless you let it. as for leting more active members have a degree of controal, im all for it. sign me up. im getting my DSL back, ill be in the forums more often now. i dont really care who is is, hell, ill vote to put RANMA in contraol. just so long as we have SOMEONE that is not a chicken and hids in the shadows moding. we NEED someone that is here, IN THE FORUMS to mod them, someone that we KNOW is a mod, and the we can contact in the event a mod is needed *cough*ErMaC*cough* hell, what happend to ErMaC is a prime exsample of why we NEED an edit button, but jbone said it best. "their is not edit button, get over it" well he may be right, and to coin the same saying,

"The mods are cowerds and wont A) delete threads B) be known C) mod spam. get over it"

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~XenoDrake

[AbsoluteDestiny]

It's pretty damn obvious why Phade isn't responding to these issues....

HE'S ON HIS HONEYMOON

Give the guy a break, there's nothing anyone can do until he gets back - the current moderators can only moderate, they can't create more moderators. I'm sure they are all aware of the problem and want to do something about it but nothing can be done until Phade is around.

The best thing you can probably do is to keep a note of all of the threads where you think crappy things have happened then you can show them to Phade when he returns. The moderators do all they can but with some people posting in excess of 100 messages a day it is VERY difficult to moderate without watching the forums every minute of the day.

What I will say is to all those who camp in the forums waiting for replies so they can spam again - GET A LIFE. I don't know what's so appealing about spamming in the Off Topic forums, personally. I've seen people hanging out in the AIM chat room and then saying "I'm going to spam" (and then doing so). Very sad.

[Lyrs]

When you have a community, you're going to have people who will be distractions. I post some message that might be irrelavent to the site as a whole but in mass majority they apply to the issue at hand.

As for shade mods, yes we need those. My registered name is new here, but I've been surfing the forum for a long time and I see at least ten+ new spam forum posts a day. That accumlates everyday and creates a lag in teh system even though it may not seem so.


All the "members" in the following message concern only those who participate in forums.

My suggesetion:

Have the forum members on a-m-v.org vote on a number of suggested member's in a private (aninomous) vote. Members can only have one vote, more than four/five attempts at voting on a member be other member's will get you banned for a few days or more. This makes it so that ppl who accidentally press the button more than once don't get bannedd.

The most voted on member will become a mod, as well as those second and third, or any number of members as deemed neccesary. All this is after the Phade has deemed the member's worthy/notable enough of being a mod. Once a member becomes a mod, he or she can enter the forum as a mod using his/her mod name//password and make necessary changes to forums.

One thing should be noted. There is to be no poll on who has the leading votes, less flame on the mod's since they don't know who the mods are and some protection from email/post harrasments.

Mod's stay in their role until they are booted for bad behavior such as dictatoral use of mod powers or they resign. Once that happens, there can be another vote for a new mod to replace that mod, or none if need's be.


If the Phade wants this forum to be a total democratic place, he may not implement any new restrictions/mod's at all, but those are my suggestions. But anyway....

My picks for mods are : the Phade (of course), ___________, ____________, and ___________. More as may be needed.

The three other people are respected member's of this site who has done more enough for the site to warrant being mods. They have good restraints on what messages their post and the helpfullness of the post they put out.

[AbsoluteDestiny]

This is the worst idea in the world ever!!!!!

It makes becoming a moderator a popularity contest with no basis on whether that person is actually responsible enough to be moderator.

Good lord, what were you thinking when you thought this up?

Even if responsible people are elected, they might not even want to be a moderator. It really needs to be Phades choice alone - only he can choose moderators for his site and he can only choose people he trusts.

It's pretty obvious that the people that will be voted for will be the spam crowd voting for each other so this is never going to work.

Just leave it to Phade; I'm pretty certain he doesn't know quite how different the forum is since he has been away. Things will change when he returns.

[Lyrs]

I was going for a democratic idea. But then, democracy is chaotic and too highly overrated of late. Oh well...

But yeah, the Phade should have the decision. He knows people better than most of us does. And he also knows who he can trust to keep the site clean enough for the public.

AD, how about you be a mod? Think that's a good idea?

[AbsoluteDestiny]

Me a mod? I hadn't thought of it really. It's quite a responsibility and it would mean delving into the depths of the Off Topic forum which I generally avoid these days

It's not easy being a mod, but I'm sure it would be less work if there were lots.

In any case, nothing is truly democratic. Every election system has some kind of limit on who is eligible to vote (e.g. age limit) and most systems have a process in which someone becomes able to stand for election.

It's not a case of vote for your fave person out of everyone, that's what magazine polls are for

[Flint the Dwarf]

Christ... I hate for Phade to have to deal with this right after his honeymoon. Sorry Phade !

Well AD, I think you're on the right track. It's up to Phade. This isn't a democracy, it's a dictatorship ! And I'd hate to be a mod. I couldn't stand the off topic forums for that long.

[NicholasDWolfwood]

This is the worst idea in the world ever!!!!!

It makes becoming a moderator a popularity contest with no basis on whether that person is actually responsible enough to be moderator.

Good lord, what were you thinking when you thought this up?

Even if responsible people are elected, they might not even want to be a moderator. It really needs to be Phades choice alone - only he can choose moderators for his site and he can only choose people he trusts.

It's pretty obvious that the people that will be voted for will be the spam crowd voting for each other so this is never going to work.

Just leave it to Phade; I'm pretty certain he doesn't know quite how different the forum is since he has been away. Things will change when he returns.

I totally agree. If I were to pick mods, I'd pick jbone, Phade (of course), and you, AD. jbone and you are the best members here, IMHO. Along with Phade. I wish I was a mod, but that'd never happen, as I curse a lot.

[Lyrs]

Any thoughts on how much ErMac might be being a mod?