whats the deal with video theft..

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:56 pm

Zarxrax wrote:
dji wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not out to lynch people.. but I this is more a respect and a courtesy thing with me. Besides.. I looked at the "remastered" version.. and the lip-synch is off.. as well as a bunch of the timing. I don't think it does the original AMV justice, regardless of being "higher quality".
That's just my opinion.
Come on people, are you really watching them side by side? I think a lot of people have this idea that Kevin's Engel was actually a lot better than it actually is, and haven't taken the time to watch it again since a few years ago... This lip sync and timing in this remake are practically dead on accurate.
As far as his right to make a remake... I support it. Does he have kevin's permission? No? But can he even GET kevin's permission? Hell no, he sure can't.
Why would someone even want to make a remake in the first place? Well for one thing, many people really love the video. And when you love a video, you want to see it in it's best form. The only existing copy of Engel is SHIT. Both the video and audio quality are horrible. Is it wrong for someone to want to see how the video would look at better quality? Is it wrong for someone to want to show the better quality to others who might happen to want to see the better quality as well? It was said earlier by someone, that if you make a remake, you should just keep it for yourself. While I can see that to an extent, the fact exists that maybe more people than just you would like to see it. And should every person that wants to see it have to make their own remake?
Now, I'm not saying that this video is a better version of Caldwell's. Cause its not. It screws up bigtime in spots. But I think peoples reasons for disagreeing with this video are off.
Just remember, a remake isnt a ripoff, its a tribute.

x2

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:57 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:
Zarxrax wrote:
dji wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not out to lynch people.. but I this is more a respect and a courtesy thing with me. Besides.. I looked at the "remastered" version.. and the lip-synch is off.. as well as a bunch of the timing. I don't think it does the original AMV justice, regardless of being "higher quality".
That's just my opinion.
Come on people, are you really watching them side by side? I think a lot of people have this idea that Kevin's Engel was actually a lot better than it actually is, and haven't taken the time to watch it again since a few years ago... This lip sync and timing in this remake are practically dead on accurate.
As far as his right to make a remake... I support it. Does he have kevin's permission? No? But can he even GET kevin's permission? Hell no, he sure can't.
Why would someone even want to make a remake in the first place? Well for one thing, many people really love the video. And when you love a video, you want to see it in it's best form. The only existing copy of Engel is SHIT. Both the video and audio quality are horrible. Is it wrong for someone to want to see how the video would look at better quality? Is it wrong for someone to want to show the better quality to others who might happen to want to see the better quality as well? It was said earlier by someone, that if you make a remake, you should just keep it for yourself. While I can see that to an extent, the fact exists that maybe more people than just you would like to see it. And should every person that wants to see it have to make their own remake?
Now, I'm not saying that this video is a better version of Caldwell's. Cause its not. It screws up bigtime in spots. But I think peoples reasons for disagreeing with this video are off.
Just remember, a remake isnt a ripoff, its a tribute.
x2

x3 + 1

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:09 pm

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:39 pm

Corran Productions wrote:Either way you look at it this video isn't causing anybody harm. He gives Caldwell credit in more than one place. If you don't like it, either don't watch it or leave a review.

It isn't as though they stole the video like some poeple have been doing with other videos as of late.

org video entry rules section 1 wrote:There should be one and only one catalog entry for each video. You should only enter videos that meet the following criteria:

You yourself created the video. You should not enter videos that were created by someone else.

org video entry rules section 2 wrote:You should NOT create a new video entry if the video meets any of the following criteria:

The video is just a cleaner version / different encoding of an existing video. If you have a remastered* version of your video file, do not create a new video entry.

NME · Post by **NME** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:54 pm

HEY ORG,

I DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

WHY DO YOU?

Sephiroth · Post by **Sephiroth** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:59 pm

I don't if you go by that way of thinking there's some very bad conclutions that can be made. People should be able to do to us what we did to Gianax and every other persons work that we used. None of us own any of the videos we work on, nor should we.

koronoru wrote:
I don't understand why you think it makes a difference how many people worked on a given piece of input material. The point is how much you contribute. If you make creative decisions in editing a video, you are a video creator. If you don't, you are at best a video technician. Both can be important and worthwhile jobs.

koronoru · Post by **koronoru** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:04 am

Sephiroth wrote:I don't if you go by that way of thinking there's some very bad conclutions that can be made. People should be able to do to us what we did to Gianax and every other persons work that we used.

I don't know what you think I said, but I don't want to spend time arguing with you about it.

Sephiroth · Post by **Sephiroth** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:39 pm

Agreed. You, I, and hopefully everyone else just want's people to make good videos and be able to make what they want.

Later.