Because I ask it to myself time and time again..

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:43 am

My question is about the people that encode anime DVDs and DVDs in general. (If they actually have someone around to do that sort of thing.) The question: Do they know what they're doing?

There is a long winded tirade that was going to follow this but you've heard it all before. Right now I'm thinking no, they don't know what they're doing. But there could be a perfectly logical explanation why they don't clean up the footage before encoding it to the DVD. I just don't know it.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:08 am

Nope, I don't think they know what they are doing. I've seen too much dvds that are just plain shitty. I don't think its nearly as bad these days as it used to be though. Maybe they (some of them at least) are learning.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:58 am

I think that for the most part, most authoring studios have a pretty simple process for getting a master to mpeg2 which doesn't involve any digtal remastery at all.

I'm sure there are some that take more care in handling this but there are many that clearly don't care at all. Central Park Media frequently master their DVDs with an analogue composite source, causing lots of rainbow issues and generally washed-out footage.

Manga Video have, in the past I'm not sure about now, used pretty cheap authoring houses who have made all kinds of mistakes including compressing interlaced footage as progressive (really fucks up the chroma).

I can generally improve on the quality of most anime mpeg2 sources - there's very few where I can honestly say that it couldn't look any better.

Ashyukun · Post by **Ashyukun** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:08 am

I've been patently disgusted with the quality of the encoding and transfer on very nearly all my DVDs. There have been precious few that are both well encoded (either progressive to start with or iVTC perfectly) and are nice and clean (no rainbowing, excessive noise, etc.). It's truly amazing how much more you realize when you're dealing with the footage on a frame-by-frame level compared to just watching it on a TV at full speed. And it seems that nearly all of the companies suffer from these problems... Pioneer, ADV, AnimEigo (*shudder*), Viz, Manga... I can't think of a single company that I've never run into frame blending or noise problems on at least one of their discs. I mean come on- if a bunch of (on the whole at least, there are a few exceptions) amatuer video editors like ourselves can figure out how to make things look better, why is it apparently so hard for the commercial companies to do it? Does it cost that much more to put out a good, cleanly telecined and un-rainbowed release?

NME · Post by **NME** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:21 am

Business + Profits = more importance than quality.
It's the dark nature of capitalism.
Make as much money as you possibly can with the least amount of work.

The end.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:38 pm

Ashyukun, you can't blame field blending on the western companies. That's a problem of the masters not the encoding.

risk one · Post by **risk one** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:47 pm

Im not sure if this is possible, but I get the feeling that most people that author dvd's professionally don't even look at the footage on a computer monitor. I've seen so many really bad interlacing mistakes, it's difficult to imaging no-one spotting them on a computer. Of course, I live in a pal country so a lot of the dvd's here are just ntsc converted to pal (with maybe just some deinterlacing if we're lucky, never any ivtc'ing).

I've seen one disc (the worst I've ever seen , I think), from a dutch tv show, it looked like they took interlaced tv footage, messed up the field order, and encoded it progressively. (I don't know anything about the process of capturing footage professionaly, so maybe this doesn't make any sense, but that's what it looked like).
The people that payed 20+ bucks for that disc are not going to be happy if they're watching it on a computer.

SS5_Majin_Bebi · Post by **SS5_Majin_Bebi** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:34 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:My question is about the people that encode anime DVDs and DVDs in general. (If they actually have someone around to do that sort of thing.) The question: Do they know what they're doing?

There is a long winded tirade that was going to follow this but you've heard it all before. Right now I'm thinking no, they don't know what they're doing. But there could be a perfectly logical explanation why they don't clean up the footage before encoding it to the DVD. I just don't know it.

Well I encountered something bizarre on the australian releases of the X TV dvds, which are authoured and distributed by Siren (who suck much ass). When I ripped the footage, I noticed that a) it wouldnt read them through my ASPI layer and b) the DVDs have absolutely NO copy protection or encryption on them whatsoever. Not to mention that the actual quality of the DVD itself (as in the materials of the disc, in particular the label) is shit, with a lattice pattern not only visible but actually able to be FELT on the label layer. total suckage, but I dont have much of a choice. At least the footage is damn decent, even though theres 4 episodes per every DVD 5 disc.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:44 am

I know I'm not in the minorety. But I jsut wanna be the first to say it. When I need to pull out filters it's because I NEED to. I feel like I'm not touching things up so much as doing damage control.

Ashyukun · Post by **Ashyukun** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 9:45 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Ashyukun, you can't blame field blending on the western companies. That's a problem of the masters not the encoding.

OK. ^o^ If I ever get annoyed enough to complain, I'll remember to get it translated into Japanese.

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