Processor Speed being misreported

[madmag9999]

im saying pure H2O. if my bath tub had no iron resedu in it and i had pure H2O (di water) i would gldaly do it. but seeing as i dont have 20 gallons of di water and my bath tub has metal parts i dont think i will. but if u like i can put a plug from the outlet into a gallon of di water and i will garanty u that if eveything stays pure (the cables will not corod and turn to iron) it will be safe to stick your head in

[the Black Monarch]

the best part about the overcloekd 5 Ghz P4 is that...an Opteron still beat it on *some* benchmarks

That came before anyone else said anything about comparing a non-overclocked chip to an overclocked one. Proof to both of you that HE STARTED THIS RIDICULOUS BULLSHIT ABOUT A 2.0GHZ OPTERON VERSUS A 5.25 GHZ PENTIUM 4.

[madmag9999]

the best part about the overcloekd 5 Ghz P4 is that...an Opteron still beat it on *some* benchmarks

That came before anyone else said anything about comparing a non-overclocked chip to an overclocked one. Proof to both of you that HE STARTED THIS RIDICULOUS BULLSHIT ABOUT A 2.0GHZ OPTERON VERSUS A 5.25 GHZ PENTIUM 4.

some. and he might be talking about an oced Opteron.
and heres an artical about water cunductivity for u basicly it explains that the salts and minirals and shit in water conduct and pure H2O is non conductive.
now back on subject id like dw to clarify his remark maybe monarch is right that dw said it first

[the Black Monarch]

Pure h2o contains a small percentage of hydrogen and hydronium ions that conduct a small amount of electricity. It all depends on voltage. If you want to try dunking your computer in water and turning it on, then be my guest, but don't go crying to mommy if it doesn't work or if you fry every component on the motherboard.

[madmag9999]

theres no use in arguing with u. im starting to think dw and nme were right when they called u dumb

[the Black Monarch]

I'm sorry, I meant to say Hydroxide, not Hydronium.

Look it up somewhere. Water molecules naturally break down into hydrogen and hydroxide ions that conduct electricity. It's impossible to 100% deionize water.

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

the best part about the overcloekd 5 Ghz P4 is that...an Opteron still beat it on *some* benchmarks

That came before anyone else said anything about comparing a non-overclocked chip to an overclocked one. Proof to both of you that HE STARTED THIS RIDICULOUS BULLSHIT ABOUT A 2.0GHZ OPTERON VERSUS A 5.25 GHZ PENTIUM 4.

some. and he might be talking about an oced Opteron.
and heres an artical about water cunductivity for u basicly it explains that the salts and minirals and shit in water conduct and pure H2O is non conductive.
now back on subject id like dw to clarify his remark maybe monarch is right that dw said it first

I'm pretty sure he's right, if the info I absorbed in Senior Chemistry was anything to go by. Basically, pure pure H2O, with absolutely no sediments or solutes in it (you know, dirt, chemicals, salts, that kinda thing), I'm talking nothing but 2 hydrogen atoms bonded with 1 oxygen (lots of those, of course, not just the one), water in its purest form, cannot conduct electricity as its resistance is far too high.

But water like that is damn near impossible to come by. As a chemical theory it is correct. If you could get your hands on water like that, it would work. Not for long though, as theres more than enough solutes and particles on the inside of a computer case to create a level of conductivity. Not to mention the factor of corrosion.

So yeh.

[the Black Monarch]

Well yeah, plus the fact that water molecules naturally break down into hydrogen and hydroxide ions.

[dwchang]

theres no use in arguing with u. im starting to think dw and nme were right when they called u dumb

I warned you guys...just ignore him. He does this on like every thread and tries to look like he knows what he's talking about. He just likes to argue and *try* to make arguments through semantics and broad generalizations on things he reads, but doesn't have any specialization in.

As for me being an asshole and sarcastic, I know I am being that way towards you TBM. The main reason is b/c I've argued you about this nonsense for over a year and it's becoming tiresome and retarded. If you're not going to listen (esp. when you're asking), then I'll just not bother to answer or have fun in my answers.

Although, he did say one thing that's correct:

The "law" states that the number of transistors on a CPU will double every 18 months. It really has nothing to do with clock speed.

Moore's Law is a "law" that is misquoted all the time. People think it means double processor clock speeds every 18 months, when in fact it's doubling the number of transistors on a processor (ie 10 million -> 20 million and so on).

One could easily conclude that more transistors *could* lead to more processor speed, but at the same time, it's certainly not a "law" or *directly* related to speed. But again, one could make the assumption that with twice the transistors, we should be able to make it more efficient and faster .

Oh yeah and since you're effectively putting double the number of transistors on a relatively similar sized die (look at your processors today and a few years ago...fairly similar in size), that equates to needing to shrink transistor technology (i.e 130 nm -> 90 nm and so on). Small transistors generally means faster switching times which in turn equates to faster speeds...generally speaking .

The amazing thing is how every few generations, transistor technology looks like it has reached it's limit and someone comes up with something to somehow maintain the "law." I believe it's been "true" for over 30 years and if anything, it shows that people can innovate when under pressure and more importantly, do some amazing things.

[the Black Monarch]

I've argued you about this nonsense for over a year

No, you were polite and helpful for a while (much less than a year), during which time we agreed on matters of fact and only disagreed on matters of opinion; only recently have you become an asshole and horribly distorted everything I said in a lame attempt to make me look dumber than I really am. Since you've run out of anything specific to misinterpret and have stopped even pretending to justify your statements about me, I'm dropping the discussion.