The Distro and DVDs

Red Wolf · Post by **Red Wolf** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 12:53 pm

DJ_Izumi wrote:If the RIAA's $10 000 reward for stopping CD bootleggers can extend to cover this DVD, I sware to god, I'll report it in.

Just so you understand, if the Distro was taken down due to legal reasons (not that I think it would, while there are certainly copyright issues we are not duplicating any retail items and what copyrighted material the AMVs do use is low quality and is distributed MUCH less than songs over P2P or movies over BitTorrent) it would be very likely that the Org itself would come under fire. That could also result in anime conventions either freaking out and cutting AMV programs or even being forced to shut down under threat.

$10,000 really isn't that much money. It would last less than a year and aside from a few "cool" things you wouldn't have much else to show for it. For that amount at the very least you would be alienated, if not outright banned, from every AMV community and event and could possibly destroy the AMV scene all together. To be honest I think you are going to get a taste of that alienation just with your comments. I see you have over a dozen AMVs of your own so obviously you like the hobby a good deal and don't have any real moral objections to using the copyrighted material for your hobby. Is the $10,000 really worth that?

If the Distro was going to charge for a profit I would certainly see your point. It is wrong to profit from other's work and for the Distro that is a dual policy - both for the original copyright holders and the AMV creators. From other posts and comments I've received I'm leaning toward requesters sending in their own DVDs with an understanding of the burn issue. It causes the least conflict and I could always recommend discs for those who want to keep high quality. I doubt the fact that the Distro will probably continue to operate as is will change your mind but seriously know that the Distro, nor the Org, nor AMV contests, nor creators like yourself are the enemy here and I find it quite sad you would abandon everyone here and a hobby you obviously enjoy for some cash.

jbone · Post by **jbone** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 2:21 pm

I belive it's safe to say that nobody on this website has even the slightest, most infinitesimal like of DJ Izumi right now, and that every single person to read this thread would concur with me if I were to say that DJ Izumi should fly down to South America and be eaten alive by fire ants.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 3:12 pm

DJ_Izumi wrote:Now now. I'm not doing some 'OMG PIRACY U EAT BABIEZ!" thing.
If, while not likely, reporting this will give me $10 000 U.S. dollars, I'll do it.

Why? I can think of about 10 000 American reasons. 12 978.02 reasons here in Canada.

It's statement's like that whick really make my wonder. It's even more desturbing to hear it comming from a fellow Canadian. It pretty much keeps the notion alive that anyone will do anythign for a money if it's dangled in front of them. I'm all for collection the money for people who make it thier carrier to collect lots of money from illegal ventures like bootleggers, but honestly, this is not the case here. I see we now know where you stand ethically with money.

From your statment, I suppose if your Sisiter/Brother were downloading a few illigal songs you'd probably turn them in for the rewards as well... Nice...

Vlad

LightningCountX · Post by **LightningCountX** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:35 pm

who cares about reporting it, you would just be busted as well...The distro is a great way to reach out to others in the amv community, and for 56k'ers saves time, money, and a phone line that isnt tied up. Great idea

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:47 pm

jbone wrote:I belive it's safe to say that nobody on this website has even the slightest, most infinitesimal like of DJ Izumi right now, and that every single person to read this thread would concur with me if I were to say that DJ Izumi should fly down to South America and be eaten alive by fire ants.

The fire ants thing may be a bit harsh...

But if they don't have pc's where she can log on here..
I'm all for the south america thing.

)v(ajin Koji · Post by **)v(ajin Koji** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:50 pm

jbone wrote:I belive it's safe to say that nobody on this website has even the slightest, most infinitesimal like of DJ Izumi right now, and that every single person to read this thread would concur with me if I were to say that DJ Izumi should fly down to South America and be eaten alive by fire ants.

I find her informative and witty

Red Wolf · Post by **Red Wolf** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:56 pm

Okay, I think the points have been made from all sides on the non-topic issue here. I'm still looking for opinions on how to have DVD requests so keep those on topic posts coming.

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:17 pm

Red Wolf wrote: $10,000 really isn't that much money. It would last less than a year and aside from a few "cool" things you wouldn't have much else to show for it.

I think the he/she is just looking for ways to fund it's sex change.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:21 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:
Red Wolf wrote: $10,000 really isn't that much money. It would last less than a year and aside from a few "cool" things you wouldn't have much else to show for it.
I think the he/she is just looking for ways to fund it's sex change.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Zagatto · Post by **Zagatto** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:05 pm

[quote="Red Wolf]If the Distro was going to charge for a profit I would certainly see your point. It is wrong to profit from other's work and for the Distro that is a dual policy - both for the original copyright holders and the AMV creators.[/quote]

I'm going to start by disagreeing with that statement. Profiting from others work is how all retail stores make a living. The main difference is that all creators involved are being compensated for their efforts and the retailer is providing an outlet for said creators.

Now that I've said that, I prefer the option of sending money to cover expenses for materials and shipping. I don't see this as being any more legal or illegal than having somebody provide their own material. Just look at the current law suits regarding P2P sharing. Nobody involved is making any money from the file transfer of music but the RIAA is still involved with thousands of lawsuits over that issue.
The issue involved with them isn't whether or not people are making money from file sharing. The issue they are interested in is perceived lost revenue. One side note here... when Napster was running at full tilt, music sales were actually rising... not falling...
So the idea of lawyers chasing after us for what we're doing here doesn't hinge on whether or not we're exchanging money to cover costs. It's whether or not the recording industry perceives our art form as lost revenue for themselves.

On a final note, I am ashamed to be associated with DJ Izumi by nature of living in Canada. That kind of bounty hunter mentality is only held by a very small percentage of people up here and I am saddened by his presence in our community.