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jbone · Post by **jbone** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 10:38 am

Validated or not, the formatting is still screwed up.

kmv · Post by **kmv** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:54 am

I didn't mean that your syntax for div was incorrect, I meant that I didn't understand why you wanted to apply those styles in the first place.

The absolute positioning stuff in CSS2 isn't fully supported by many browsers (except in Opera and Moz where it is supported), and IE doesn't really support it. I am really surprised to here that it works for you in IE5.5, it doesn't work at all in my IE6.0.2800

The "position: fixed;" you have in #banner is actually designed to float the section (the div) above the page - and in Moz and Opera this is what it does. However unless constrained in someway the rest of the text will start from the top of the page which places a big chunk of the text under the floating banner, and #mainlist makes no attempt to constrain the text formatting

So, in summary the CSS2 code you are using isn't supported by IE and is broken in Moz and Opera. I realise that Moz still has some ways to go on CSS2 - but it seems that IE has even further to go.

Personally, I'd just get rid of the CSS2 stuff. Stick to CSS1 - you will have more hair at the end of it.

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:53 pm

First off, a mea culpa: I forgot to upload the new style sheet last night. Working too fast too late, I guess. It's there now (9AM Pacific).

I also removed the "fixed" from the banner. I think kmv and dokidoki are on to something that I missed. "Fixed' means it's supposed to stay put, but IE 5.5 just scrolled it off the top of the page. It scrolled it back, too, so it looked ok. And it maintained its position relative to the other text. But it definitely wasn't "fixed", as in locked in position.

I was thinking that these problems were only affecting a little-used browser, but if IE 6 is screwed up too...then I'm surprised I haven't heard about it before (meaning the IE 6 part; trythil once mentioned that it didn't work with Mozilla). Structurally, nothing has really changed since the previous hosting service.

Anyway, I need to get one of my PCs updated to the latest IE. And I have a just-foolin'-around installation of Mandrake 9.1, so I can probably test with Mozilla, too.

jbone · Post by **jbone** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:59 pm

TaranT wrote:I was thinking that these problems were only affecting a little-used browser, but if IE 6 is screwed up too...

Just because you don't use it doens't mean it's little-used. While IE is used by the largest percentage of the population, Mozilla (and its derivatives) and Opera are used by large numbers of people, and it's poor design methodology to not take all browsers into consideration.

kmv · Post by **kmv** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:25 pm

TaranT wrote:but if IE 6 is screwed up too...then I'm surprised I haven't heard about it before

Actually, I was referring to CSS2 support when I said it didn't work. Although after rereading my post I can see how you thought I was referring to the page, I phrased that rather badly.

But it works now. Thanks.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:06 pm

jbone wrote:
TaranT wrote:I was thinking that these problems were only affecting a little-used browser, but if IE 6 is screwed up too...
Just because you don't use it doens't mean it's little-used. While IE is used by the largest percentage of the population, Mozilla (and its derivatives) and Opera are used by large numbers of people, and it's poor design methodology to not take all browsers into consideration.

Firebird is also better than IE

(*starts holy war*)

Anyway...

TaranT -- It renders correctly for me now; thanks.

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:53 am

jbone wrote:Just because you don't use it doens't mean it's little-used. While IE is used by the largest percentage of the population, Mozilla (and its derivatives) and Opera are used by large numbers of people, and it's poor design methodology to not take all browsers into consideration.

Fair enough. But when your time is limited (and you're not being paid

), then it's appropriate to focus on the largest customer base. IE has over 95% of the market, so it gets priority.

That said, this has been an educational experience, and I now have two new cool browsers - Opera and Mozilla - that I'll use to check out any new Web pages. I might even start using one on a regular basis.

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:04 am

OK, I checked the site with several browsers today; not every single page, but enough to see that things are working. These are the browsers I looked at:

IE 5.5 (WinME) - no problems
IE 6 (Win2K) - no problems
Netscape 4.79 (Win2K) - tables don't display cell borders, but still format

Mozilla 1.5 (WinME) - some slight formatting differences; nothing serious
Opera 7 (WinME) - no problems

Mozilla 1.3 (Mandrake 9.1) - I used this to look at the old Web site and it definitely has a problem with the fixed banner (text scrolls over it). Otherwise, things seem to work. It's not the chaos I was expecting.

I did not try Firebird since that appears to be just an upgraded Mozilla.

jbone · Post by **jbone** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:49 am

TaranT wrote:Fair enough. But when your time is limited (and you're not being paid ), then it's appropriate to focus on the largest customer base. IE has over 95% of the market, so it gets priority.

Quite understandible... just so long as the person deciding that realizes he'll be hearing complaints from the people whose browsers don't render the page prtoperly.

kmv · Post by **kmv** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:57 am

TaranT wrote:I did not try Firebird since that appears to be just an upgraded Mozilla.

Firebird == Mozilla Lite