AMV Contest Lists Site Is Moving

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:20 am

Thanks to free hosting provided by www.1and1.com the AMV contest lists site now has its own domain:

http://www.amv-contest-lists.org/

Please update links, favorite lists, etc. with this new address. I'll leave the old location active for a little while longer, but eventually it will have only a link to the new site.

This new location has more space and bandwidth. Hopefully, the page locks that occurred last year after each large contest will no longer happen.

jbone · Post by **jbone** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:10 am

The site's HTML is flaky and doesn't work properly in Opera - all the text items overlap.

Also, when a user selects a year, it spawns a new window.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:24 am

The HTML renders funny (similar problems to those seen in Opera) in Mozilla Firebird 0.7 too. I'd guess that any Gecko-based browser will have issues.

kmv · Post by **kmv** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:59 am

Confirmed on Moz 1.5

The problem is your use of <div> is incorrect. In fact in your case I don't think you need to use it at all.

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:00 pm

I've tested the site with IE 5.5 and everything looks ok. Tomorrow, I'll take a look at it with Netscape 4.x. The core problem appears to be in the use of CSS, although I have to say my style sheet is painfully simple.

jbone wrote:The site's HTML is flaky and doesn't work properly in Opera - all the text items overlap.
Also, when a user selects a year, it spawns a new window.

I'll fix the new-window thing. As for Opera...is it just the main page, or the tables, too?

trythil wrote:The HTML renders funny (similar problems to those seen in Opera) in Mozilla Firebird 0.7 too. I'd guess that any Gecko-based browser will have issues.

Mozilla apparently has many issues with style sheets. (ref. CSS specs annotated for Mozilla). There are so many bugs that about the only thing I can do is stop using a style sheet - which I'm reluctant to do since it makes maintaining the tables easier. It's possible many of the bugs have been fixed in later releases of Mozilla. I'm still researching this.

kmv wrote:Confirmed on Moz 1.5
The problem is your use of <div> is incorrect. In fact in your case I don't think you need to use it at all.

It's possible I mistyped something, but I think the use of <div> is generally correct. As I mentioned above, it works fine with IE. It may be unnecessary: in a couple of cases I'm using <div> only to provide indentation and leading.

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'll look into this some more. Maybe I can detect the browser type and switch off Mozilla or Opera to a different formatting scheme.

I did find this page that looks like it will be useful. I don't know if it will fix everything.

jbone · Post by **jbone** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:27 pm

The entire site was a mess under Opera.

You can't base web design under any version of Internet Explorer - there are so many proprietary HTML things that'll be fine under IE but break everything else...

dokidoki · Post by **dokidoki** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:33 pm

For one thing, try removing "position: fixed;" from #banner.

dokool · Post by **dokool** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:11 pm

Just a suggestion, can there be an email to submit corrections/additions? There are always a few vids that don't have links, and those have probably been added to the 'Org by now...

-DOKool

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:39 am

Didn't mean to ignore anybody: had to run after making that last post....

I've put the navigation pages through approved validators:

** W3C Markup Validation for all HTML pages
** WDG CSSCheck for the style sheet

Some things needed to be fixed, but these pages are now validated. The style sheet had a few typos, and I removed an ambiguous and irrelevant background color declaration. The HTML pages were missing a DOCTYPE declaration which I suspect is what was tripping Mozilla/Opera, causing it to render in quirks mode.

A sample validation statement:

W3C wrote:The document located at <http://www.amv-contest-lists.org/conlinks.htm> was checked and found to be valid HTML 4.01 Transitional. This means that the resource in question identified itself as "HTML 4.01 Transitional"; and that we successfully performed a formal validation using an SGML or XML Parser (depending on the markup language used).

I also read through that Mozilla Web Authoring page (link is above) and cleared up any issues listed there.

I have not updated the table pages. There's a crapload of them and it's almost 2 AM. I'll get around to them eventually. At a minimum, each one needs a DOCTYPE declaration.

Tim: I left the banner position fixed for now since the style sheet validates. If there is still a problem, I can change that next.

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:45 am

dokool wrote:Just a suggestion, can there be an email to submit corrections/additions? There are always a few vids that don't have links, and those have probably been added to the 'Org by now...

I do want to add, maybe not a FAQ, but some kind of mission statement. I can put a contact address there. You can always PM me if you see something.

However, the Mozilla issues take priority. And I still have to clean up this AMV I'm sending to AniBo.