Recovering OT Junkie = Bad AMV Editor

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:07 am

There's about handful, perhaps not even that amount, of OT people who are making videos (atleast that I know of) and by what CaT's saying, only one is getting all this supposed praised, and her videos suck. I feel that someone's thrown a brick through my face, and yet I feel confused too.

When someone says my video sucks but gives me eights, I don't get it. When someone tells me it got some sort of audience applause...but it sucks, I dont get it. When someone says that my video gets favorable reviews because it's from an "OT family", when there are more than two dozen ops and not even a handful of them are people "from OT" just from one particular video , I don't fucken get it.

Maybe someone should make a fucken guide on how to make an awesome video. Maybe someone should make it a fucken rule, "whomever holds the title of OT RECOVERER cannot make a video". I'd ask all you other jackasses for help, but you're too busy being an ass and gloating about being at a con and placing a nice generalization on my head and making awesome videos about Ermac's fucken name and a god damn song about eating people to give me an op. And when I did post up here before, I had people tell me, "go post back in OT, you don't belong up here fartenhymen." I have to post down there in OT, but oh no, if I do that, I'll get a title, and that title prevents me from making videos, as if waiting a year to make another video wasn't enough, now I'm told that I can't. Thank you all so fucken much.

You're trying to blame 99% of the sucky videos here on a group of fucken people. You see a bunch OT posters on the Top 10% ? Dear God I hope not. Oh look, there isn't. I guess we didn't take your spots afterall, Beowulf and Machine. So what the hell are you complaining about? Maybe you should be more worried about the fuck ass who's uploading a copy of someone elses video and claiming it's theirs, or the "over abundance of noobs who won't read a fucken guide and continue to make shitty videos" then worry about a supposed handful of fucken people who are 'making it to the top' by some of their OT friends. Some of you are a motherfucken joke.

As long as Phade has my PARTIAL PAYMENT, I'll continue to upload my shitty OT videos and you'll have to deal with it. I just hope you don't get a papercut from watching them. God knows that if that were to happen, you surely couldn't get through with the rest of your day.

You'll stink up your computer chair with your sickly professional editing skills before that ever happens.

danielwang · Post by **danielwang** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:14 am

Agreed.

My thoughts are along the same lines: Anime music videos, I would consider them a fine art, completely subjective and opinion driven. It's like how the Museum of Modern Art paid for someone's poop in a metal can.

But there are aspects, from technical quality to timing and theme, that anime music video authors should understand.

As for the OT people, the self reviewers and such; new rules or methods won't help at all. We've lowered our standards to the point that we end up making AMVs another Skateboarding, without the popularity: there's the elitist l33t and the other people. Oligarchy alert! Making *good* AMVs is going to become a dying art at this rate.

To pseudoquote a member, commenting on The Children Project:

High standards? I'm sorry about that.
*goes off the create Project Low Standards*

pointing to a project banner in his own sig.

There's plenty of good AMV creators. But aside from the forums and the guides, a-m-v.org is lessa community than a simple database. Get over it, it's a PostgreSUXQL install with a bunch of info.

and on a final note,
FIX our N00B Problem!

danielwang · Post by **danielwang** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:17 am

Being able to search vids by star rating, any aspect of rating (for example,t o pick good tech/sync/theme/etc videos) or general rating, or hits would be a good idea.

But for now, a link in my sig will help you prevent accidentally downloading sucky videos.

It's about as rational as SpamAssassin, which means it isn't. But since lots of n00b videos are LBZ, this bklocks LBZ, as well as keeping my name from showing up.

There.

dokidoki · Post by **dokidoki** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:41 am

fyrtenheimer wrote:I feel that someone's thrown a brick through my face, and yet I feel confused too.

Illegitimis non carborundum.

Chaos Angel · Post by **Chaos Angel** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:49 pm

Beowulf wrote:"Elitist" is definitely the hot-button word of the org. I really don't see how you can justify calling me elitist but, just the same, I'm obviously giving off that vibe if these words start popping up so let me give my case.

What I think most people are mistaking for arrogance or elitism is honesty. This, in my opinion, is a ridiculously soft community. Not a single piece of negative feedback is given, except in the utmost of secrecy, and the highest praise is tossed around like water. It’s kind of like that guy who whenever he watches a movie says "OMG THIS IS THE GREATEST THING IVE EVER FUCKING SEEN!". It cheapens the language.

So, what constitutes negative feedback? Is, "I think (insert aspect of the video here) could be better." negative, or is "You suck, just quit you fucking pathetic loser dipshit." more what you are aiming at?

So much smoke is blown up so many collective assholes on these forums it’s incredible. The primary reason I think, is that since most people here are friends with almost everyone else (especially the OT people, those guys are like a family), everyone is passively encouraged to praise a video or compliment someone’s talent based souly on their like for that individual on a personal level.

God forbid people compliment their friends if in their opinion they dida good job. God forbid people support the ones they care about.

The fact is, almost all the videos that are posted here completely suck. That’s just the truth.

No, suck is an opinion term, not a statement of fact. It's an abstract concept, not a concrete definition. "You think they suck" is a more accurate phrasing.

A community that gives constant praise to everything lowers the standards. And surprise surprise, we have terrible videos, and an abundance thereof.

I agree, but I disagree with what you seem to be implying that negative feedack has to be harsh. Also, I don't think that every thing on this site gets praised unequivocally. I think the sweeping majority of it simply doesn't get watched.

I've watched it first hand by a couple editors (I'm not going to name) who release a terrible video, get outstanding feedback for it, and then continue to make worse and worse videos. Since no one tells them otherwise and/or they don't have the ability to improve without help, they keep making pieces of shit.

If you honestly felt that there needs to be more negative feedback outside of closed doors, you would not have held back from naming the people you think suck. You would have just said it.

I take these things very seriously and it irks me when people with real ability and real effort get the same sort of plastic lip service that these no-talent ass clowns receive in droves every time they slap together their latest abomination.

I love making videos too. I have four MME projects to work on, and at least three personal video ideas I wanna fiddle with. I really get a kick out of editting and I like making stuff that I hope other people will enjoy.

But it seems like you care too much about it. You seem to be investing a lot of personal pride and merit, possibly even a portion of self-definition, in something that basically amounts to entertainment. It is an art form in it's own right, I agree and believe that, but I think you are giving it way way too much importance and meaning. Right now, you are reminding me of people who go on and on about how they could not live without (their music, their writing, their drawing, whatever mode of creative expression they choose to employ) and I think you need to step back a bit and get some perspective. It's not the end of the world if someone makes a badly synched Inu Yasha video set to the pop-rock song of the week. You don't have to watch it. The impression I am getting from your "essay" is that you want the community to be made up of the best, plumpest, and brightest ears of corn, but the community is not just the best of the crop: it is the whole field, and that includes the shrimpy shriveled stalks near the back.

SSJVegita0609 · Post by **SSJVegita0609** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:23 pm

*Agrees with CA*

I was literally about to type a response that was almost identical.

Krypton-Knight · Post by **Krypton-Knight** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:43 pm

*applauds chaos angel*

Machine · Post by **Machine** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 4:00 pm

Chaos Angel wrote:But it seems like you care too much about it. You seem to be investing a lot of personal pride and merit, possibly even a portion of self-definition, in something that basically amounts to entertainment.

Some of us do take this AMV art form very seriously. Entertainment is good but it can also be Enlightening to others. If you invest alot of personal pride and merit and even self-definition....there is a HUGE chance you will be making an Anime Music Video that doesn't suck. You and your friends can be proud of the work you put into making it.

Chaos Angel wrote: It is an art form in it's own right, I agree and believe that, but I think you are giving it way way too much importance and meaning.

Some of us do and some of us don't. It's what seperates the MEN from the BOYS (ie Women and girls too).

Chaos Angel wrote:Right now, you are reminding me of people who go on and on about how they could not live without (their music, their writing, their drawing, whatever mode of creative expression they choose to employ) and I think you need to step back a bit and get some perspective.

Perspective to what? I for one can admit that I'm one of those people you just described. Life isn't easy for some of us...in fact sometimes the only escape we have really is our: music, writing, drawing, filmmaking, editing AMVs....it could be anything. College life (plus alot of other shit which I won't get into) for myself has been rather rough this past year. I'm even lucky I was able to have time to crank out the AMV I did for 2003. But at least at the end of a shitty day one can come back and be proud of the work he/she has accomplished (or is working on) when it comes to AMVs.

Chaos Angel wrote: It's not the end of the world if someone makes a badly synched Inu Yasha video set to the pop-rock song of the week. You don't have to watch it. The impression I am getting from your "essay" is that you want the community to be made up of the best, plumpest, and brightest ears of corn, but the community is not just the best of the crop: it is the whole field, and that includes the shrimpy shriveled stalks near the back.

Actually, the community would be better off if people actually did read the guides this site has to offer (or write one themselves for contribution). At least this way, there wouldn't have to be an shirpy shirveled stalks near the back.

And besdies, everyone knows that the best, plumpest, and brightest ears of corn all hang out together at AWA (Or at other CONS). Hahahhahah.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 4:07 pm

Well, if that's what the community has amounted to, it's a shame the whole site hasn't been shut down.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 4:07 pm

fyrtenheimer wrote:There's about handful, perhaps not even that amount, of OT people who are making videos (atleast that I know of) and by what CaT's saying, only one is getting all this supposed praised, and her videos suck.

I never said they sucked. I said that I thought they were crappy (In other words, I don't like them.). I'm entitled to my opinion. If you have a problem with me not liking your videos, tough luck.