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Post by Arigatomina » Sun Oct 26, 2003 6:21 am

Onideus_Mad_Hatter wrote:I consider most of them to be sorta worthless....there are those who give fairly decent reviews but are like deathly afraid to give all 9s and 10s on a video.
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Do me a favor, never let me leave an opinion for one of your videos. :?

I don't know anyone who's *afraid* to give 9s or 10s - I give them if I think the vid deserves those scores. That's how most people score videos, by what they think the video deserves, not what the creator thinks it deserves. That's the way opinons are usually done around here. No one goes around correcting those who score incorrectly - it isn't a test score, or a set rating that will be equal no matter who gives it. What would be the point in getting opinions if they were all exactly the same? They're called opinions ('Opinion Exchange,' 'All Opinions,' 'More Opinion Info,' 'Submit Opinion') because that's what they are.

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Post by Onideus_Mad_Hatter » Sun Oct 26, 2003 6:38 am

Arigatomyna wrote: :roll:

Do me a favor, never let me leave an opinion for one of your videos. :?
Oh I'll get right on that.
I don't know anyone who's *afraid* to give 9s or 10s - I give them if I think the vid deserves those scores.
Well, good for you then.
That's how most people score videos, by what they think the video deserves, not what the creator thinks it deserves.
Most people score videos based on what I said earlier, either they just think it's uber awesome without thinking or they tend to over analyze or misjudge things. And it's not even about what the creator thinks it deserves, it's about what the video itself deserves. I mean if you make a video that's purpose is to be a non stop action packed thrill ride and then some uber stupid comes along, over analyzes it, thinks of it as if it was THIER video and then says something incredibly dumb like, "Oh well I thought there was too much action in it." o_O

It's like, um, hello, McFly, it's not about how you thought the video SHOULD have been made, you're supposed to be scoring on the video AS IT IS, in it's own form, not what you THINK it SHOULD have been. To me that's the number one problem when people score AMVs, they treat the video as if it was their video, rather than the video of the person who made it. And yes, some people strangely enough make a video whose sole purpose is just to be all action, or all drama, etc, etc.

It's almost like some people are saying, oh I'm giving this video a lower score because it's not the video that I want it to be.
That's the way opinons are usually done around here. No one goes around correcting those who score incorrectly
On the contrary, people do quite often. That is why you can respond to the opinionators you know. Every opinion you get, you get as much white space as you like to comment right back.
- it isn't a test score, or a set rating that will be equal no matter who gives it.
Which is why I said for most part it's all just bullshit.
What would be the point in getting opinions if they were all exactly the same?
See that's usually why I stop actively seeking opinions after about 5 or so, after 5 good, thought out opinions, it doesn't really need much else.
They're called opinions ('Opinion Exchange,' 'All Opinions,' 'More Opinion Info,' 'Submit Opinion') because that's what they are.
Scoring is a part of the opinions section, Dear. The trick is to not confuse scoring opinions with personal opinions. Too many people judge AMVs and what they think it SHOULD have been, rather than on what it IS. If you download an AMV and it's not the AMV you think it should be, guess what, you've downloaded the wrong one.

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Post by JCD » Sun Oct 26, 2003 11:39 am

- honest scores
- constructive & helpful
- when they point out things I hate myself
- short: exaclty like Ingow's opinions :)

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Post by StarRaiders]cV[ » Sun Oct 26, 2003 3:56 pm

-nice
-even if not honest
-details on what like/not like
-dont eat in front of me
(last one is most important)
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Post by downwithpants » Sun Oct 26, 2003 7:34 pm

Onideus_Mad_Hatter wrote:Most people score videos based on what I said earlier, either they just think it's uber awesome without thinking or they tend to over analyze or misjudge things. And it's not even about what the creator thinks it deserves, it's about what the video itself deserves. I mean if you make a video that's purpose is to be a non stop action packed thrill ride and then some uber stupid comes along, over analyzes it, thinks of it as if it was THIER video and then says something incredibly dumb like, "Oh well I thought there was too much action in it." o_O
Videos are just a whole bunch of electronic bits that tell your monitor and speakers to do stuff. Without an audience, they don't deserve anything.
Scores are entirely defined by the opinion of the audience. They are not some kind of inherent property of the video. You can't say a person gave an incorrect score, unless you know for sure they are lying about how they felt about the video. Suppose Picasso released his paintings in 12th century China, where nobody understood the beauty of his works. Nobody would believe that the paintings deserved to be considered masterpieces.

If you have a preconceived idea of what score the video deserves, then don't read the opinions you get.
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Post by Onideus_Mad_Hatter » Sun Oct 26, 2003 7:42 pm

downwithpants wrote: Videos are just a whole bunch of electronic bits that tell your monitor and speakers to do stuff. Without an audience, they don't deserve anything.
Scores are entirely defined by the opinion of the audience. They are not some kind of inherent property of the video. You can't say a person gave an incorrect score, unless you know for sure they are lying about how they felt about the video. Suppose Picasso released his paintings in 12th century China, where nobody understood the beauty of his works. Nobody would believe that the paintings deserved to be considered masterpieces.

If you have a preconceived idea of what score the video deserves, then don't read the opinions you get.
I think maybe you're misunderstanding what it is I'm saying. There are GOOD opinions and BAD opinions, and it does not have to do with scoring.

If you give a person a low score because the action didn't align properly with the synch of the music, then yeah, that's a GOOD opinion.

If you give a person a low score because you thought the video had TOO MUCH action, when in fact the PURPOSE behind the video was to be ALL action, then that is a BAD opinion.

Do you see the difference? One is making an opinion based on what the AMV actually is, the other makes an opinion based on what the person wished the video was.

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Post by downwithpants » Sun Oct 26, 2003 8:14 pm

Onideus_Mad_Hatter wrote: I think maybe you're misunderstanding what it is I'm saying. There are GOOD opinions and BAD opinions, and it does not have to do with scoring.

If you give a person a low score because the action didn't align properly with the synch of the music, then yeah, that's a GOOD opinion.

If you give a person a low score because you thought the video had TOO MUCH action, when in fact the PURPOSE behind the video was to be ALL action, then that is a BAD opinion.

Do you see the difference? One is making an opinion based on what the AMV actually is, the other makes an opinion based on what the person wished the video was.
okay, if all other things are equal, videos that are more sound technically, and more synchronized do deserve a higher score than videos that aren't. however, scores (should) measure more what's objectively good and bad.

I mean a video can have perfect video and audio capture, perfect beat synchs, well executed effects, and no mistakes, but it might not leave any lasting impression on the viewer. In which case, the viewer should give higher technical scores (video, audio, effects) to this video, but may give lower subjective scores (overall, review) than another video which might have lower than a different video that has pretty much no beat synch, fuzzy video or audio, no effects, but is much more touching.

-IMO, action sync entails both beat synchs (measured objectively) and scene selection (measured subjectively).
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Post by Arigatomina » Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:59 am

Onideus_Mad_Hatter wrote:
Arigatomyna wrote: :roll:

Do me a favor, never let me leave an opinion for one of your videos. :?
Oh I'll get right on that.
That's all I ask. ^_^

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